so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

Apologies should be "many months" above not "any months"

Must be this malware "grin" bug Google is talking about. :-)

MaizieD
I find many things happening in the world today 'horrifying'
But certainly not the 'assumed chaos' when we leave the eu.

I could just wish, petra that the experience of the chaos could be targeted to Leave voters only.

Unfortunately we Remainers are like the children in a class which is, as a whole, punished for the actions of a few because the culprits can't be identified. Innocent victims.

petra, between 44 and 60% of Britains total trade is with other EU countries dependant on how the figures are calculated. To replace and relocate even 10% of that will be a huge operation for our manufacturers and our transport logistics operators.

That as I stated cannot be achieved overnight, and in that the real fear is held.

Indeed Maizie. I remember twice saying 'ok I did it' - to stop the stalemate and everyone being punished - when of course I was not the culprit, and the teacher knew full well.

But in this case, I don't think that would work.
As said, we in particular are so lucky to have double nationality- so will be much less affected than most- does not stop us caring, au contraire. Some people are in a desperate situation and it is causing much stress, heartache, worry, and even illness.

When I mentioned the severe loss of income we have experienced- it was not to complain, but to illustrate the reality on the ground. Most have it much much worse than us.

Oh that is a little disingenuous, Jura I clearly remember the complaining about cancelling the planned new kitchen or was it bathroom?

I did not complain, just stated that the tanking pound had real effects on people. We did a fabulous bathroom for guests a couple of years back, before the vote. The kitchen is definitely cancelled- does not matter to me, at all. Just an illustration. Great house, great place - kitchen is irrelevant to me.

So, the Sun is not good enough- so here is the Brexiters's favourite, DM today:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5978391/How-no-deal-Brexit-affect-road-tailbacks-medicine-alcohol-pets-orchestras.html

You really plumb the depths with your reading material Jura!

Haven’t you heard of the broadsheets?

The clarity of your memory might be somewhat impaired, MawBroon. I remember the abandonment of plans for a round the world trip or something similar.

To which the sympathetic response was 'tough'.

Which, as a then newcomer to Gnet, rather put me off Leavers from the word go.

MaizieD
Mine must be impaired as well, as I recall it was a kitchen and a trip.

Are you suggesting I planned a round the world trip?
If only.
In the three years before Paw died last November the only places he went were the Royal Free Hospital in London and I cared for him 24/7, unable to leave him for more than a couple of hours at most to pop to the supermarket.
Or are you saying I responded “Tough” to somebody else planning a Round the world trip?
If so your memory must be very different to mine.

Oh yes, we cancelled the world trip too - again, it is not important at all, plenty to see right on our doorstep where we can self-drive and self-cater at very little cost. Going to Italy in September, SW France in October- then Slovenia and Croatia next year, and Corsica next year. That is not 'tough' not at all. We were invited to OZ, Tasmania and NZ - but instead our cousins are coming to us and we will take them to Tuscany with us instead. That is no hardship at all- even if a shame. Others will have to do without basics, and find themselves in very difficult, and worse, situations- with their papers, basic needs and health care. I would not dream of complaining. I do detect quite a bit of 'green eyed monster' perhaps?

Much better to quote from papers that Leavers read and trust, Maw.

How do you know which newspapers leavers read and trust?!

Frankly having lived through periods of being very hard up when Paw had his transplant and having even made redundant so no sick pay or benefits of any sort and then seeing his pension disappear in the 2008/9 crash, I suspect my sympathy for cancelled round the world trips and new kitchens or bathrooms might have been lukewarm at best

Given that you seem to read the Sun and the Daily Mil, Jura how about trying what might be more impartial sources, the FT or Independent for instance.

^ I do detect quite a bit of 'green eyed monster' perhaps^

No you don’t, a despicable suggestion in the light of my husband’s illness and death, if it were not so ridiculous, but hardly surprising given the level you have sunk to.

*jura2
Did you read the comments? Probably not
If you had you would find that the vast majority of 5,902 commentators consider it a load of shite.
I think we can all agree that that is a lot of comments.

I do detect quite a bit of 'green eyed monster' perhaps?

Uncalled for, jura. You, as all of us are on this forum, know perfectly well of Maw's circumstances in respect of her DH's illness last year. You've often accused others of "hitting below the belt" in their remarks. And your comment was a very low blow. Shame on you for that.

Yes indeed, Chewbacca
It was an uncalled for and an extremely spiteful remark, contained within an extremely smug post.

Much better to quote from papers that Leavers read and trust, Maw.


Does anyone trust the Sun apart from you, jura?

Is the government paying suppliers for all this food they're stockpiling?

#justwondering

I have never told anyone how I voted in the referendum; not here nor anywhere else, and nor will I. I've read all the posts on GN over the past year or so and can see both sides of the argument regarding the ramifications and implications of hard/soft Brexit, getting a trade deal or "jumping off the cliff" with no deal at all. But I'm somewhat taken aback to read that the main reason some posters want to reverse the decision to leave is because their round the world trips, new kitchens and 3rd or 4th annual holidays will be compromised, hence the wish to remain in the EU. To me, that's as unpalatable as the Brexiteers having voted to leave because of immigration and their racist beliefs. Each are as repugnant and unacceptable as the other. I suspect, and hope, that neither of these views are mainstream and are simply the rantings and ravings of people who have no earthly idea of anyone else's life, or why ordinary sane people voted as they did. However they voted.

Just wrote a very long message, which I erased by mistake.

Mawbroon, I am so so sorry to hear that. As I left GN for a very long time, and do not go on the social threads, I was not aware of this. Cant imagine how hard that must have been, and still is. And I send my most sincere condoleances.

The 'green eyed monster' comment was not aimed at anyone in particular. It has however been mentioned many times on Expat sites- that the lack of concern of empathy from relatives or friends was probably due to the 'oh you left UK because it/we were not good enough for you' and 'you keep posting photos of your wonderful house and garden, and your idylic life there ... so if things get tough for you ... well, you know... tough.

I am quite sure there is an element of that- and varying degrees of %.

I'd hope that the relatives and friends of those who have moved abroad some years back, having sold everything in the UK and planned very carefully- but now face severe health issues- with all the uncertainty of what will happen to their heathcare, and the knowledge they could not afford to go back - would have some empathy.

I totally agree that my new kitchen or world tour are totally and absolutely insignificant in the grand scale of things. Some people are really suffering, and truly do not know what they will do and how they will survive, and terrified they will have to rely on social services and non existent council housing- as their houses in France or wherever, will be worthless.

Again, I am sincerely sorry for your pain MawBroon.

Thank you for your apology Jura2.

Thank you for seeing that it was sincerely meant- however much we disagree on other issues.