so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

No probs but I find it strange that you had not read my posts of 12 .36 and 12.41 before commenting.
Clearly a salutary lesson?

Enough.
Moving on ....

What a load of nonsense. Life will continue as normal with perhaps a few inconveniences.

Huge respect for Dominic Grieve- is he an extremist?:

news.sky.com/story/no-deal-brexit-would-see-uk-state-of-emergency-warns-dominic-grieve-11445199

As grandparents, maybe we should read this. So hope none of our grandchildren will be affected:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/brexit-threatens-rare-diseases-care-for-100-000-british-children-d52zvh7j0

Really, jura, enough already!

I can’t register to read the article you link to, but the recent statement by Maurizio Scarpa of the ERN makes it clear that everything will be done to ensure its work, and the considerable input by the UK, will not be affected by Brexit.

metab.ern-net.eu/brexit-effects-european-reference-networks/

Britain faces being thrown out of a Europe-wide network for treating rare diseases — depriving 150,000 UK citizens, two-thirds of them children, of their best hope for treatment.

Six British medical experts, each head of one of the 24 specialisms covered by the European Reference Networks (ERNs), were this month stripped of their leadership roles, in preparation for the UK’s likely departure from the system next March under Brexit.

The ERNs link medical experts across the EU to treat people suffering from diseases whose rarity makes it difficult for any single country to build up specialist treatment centres. Each of the 24 networks covers a specific category such as childhood cancer, inherited liver disease,

Rather at odds with the speech I linked to, isn’t it? The one which ends with a Winston Churchill quote:
A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.

Good quote maggiemaybe - a useful maxim.

Tel that to the parents and grandparents of the poor kids, with terrible diseases, who will no longer have access to the drugs they need, as their only hope. Sick.

Rubbish! We are up there with innovations in some fields - it's quid pro quo.

I refuse to believe your doomy predictions jura! As I said, I voted remain but Britain hasn't suddenly become a basket case and will then sink without trace.

You profess to love Britain but do nothing but do us down. My expat bil bemoans the fact that his income is reduced since the brexit vote and wouldn't countenance coming back to live here.....but does visit to use the NHS!

Have you read Scarpa’s speech, jura? The bit about the UK being the acknowledged leader in the ERN? Children in the UK are not going to suffer, and I’m certain our innovative and highly skilled participants in the project will not leave children in other EU countries to suffer either. Your scaremongering about these poor kids is unacceptable. Sick indeed.

Tell that to the parents and grandparents of the poor kids, with terrible diseases, who will no longer have access to the drugs they need, as their only hope. Sick
Too much exposure to the Sun, I think.
Hysterical negativity in every syllable. ?

This article is from The Times, not my invention.
All this research is truly international, and is based on the best everyone can offer.

And I sincerely wish you are right, for those poor kids. But how dare you call it 'scaremongering' - have you read the article?

Please form an orderly queue for ration books, tin foil hats and euthanasia pills. One per person. No pushing please.

jura2
Britain faces being thrown out of a Europe-wide network for treating rare diseases — depriving 150,000 UK citizens, two-thirds of them children, of their best hope for treatment

Do you in all honesty think this will occur especially as UK is the centre if excellence in the unlocking of the causes of diseases and development of treatments.
The UK played a massive part in the identification of DNA and the decoding of the same.
Although Canadians claim they found Stem Cells, Newcastle University is at the forefront if groundbreakung research and development. And there is Great Ormond Street Hospital where children are flown in from around the world for treatment.
The worldwide impact of research, disease identification and treatments emanating from UK is well documented and acknowledged.

Jura you have been crying “Wolf” since the start of this thread.
Do you really expect anybody to take your doom laden prophecies with links to the Sun and DM seriously now?

Sadly there are too few true journalists working within our media nowadays.
Sensationalism and scaremongering are now the norm. Very little true research and impact analysis seems to occur. It is suprising how many articles appear in differen newspapers, but are almost word for word the same.

Come on, this is taking back control. These negotiations are the easiest ever conducted.

However, if any forum member happens to have an odd lorry or two hanging around they do not want, please contact the Department of transport. Buyer will most definitely collect.

Jura can I ask if you feel that you've changed anyone's mind about Brexit yet? Do you feel that your constant stream of dire warnings and forebodings of impending disaster have had any impacton any GNetter at all? Do you continue to post warnings of doom and penury to comfort yourself or to create anxiety in others? What is your motive? And do you feel you've achieved anything so far? I'm genuinely interested.

You are right, it often feels like banging your head, very hard, on the wall... many send PMs to say they are appalled at the personal attacks I get, and how they agree but don't want to get involved.

And the reason why I left GN for quite a long time. Neither to comfort myself, not to create anxiety- I can assure you. Brexit has reached a turning point- and I feel it is paramount that we fight for a Referendum on the final deal- and that to do so, we need to be aware of all the facts.

There is still a chance we can avert this disaster. One has to keep hope and fight for it. It seems that polls (and I know they are not always reliable) indicate that there is now a clear majority to remain in EU- but whatever happens- huge damage has been done, to the UK, and to the EU.
That is my motivation- no more, no less - to avert this disaster in the making.

. Brexit has reached a turning point- and I feel it is paramount that we fight for a Referendum on the final deal
And how do you purpose doing that?

There was a referendum, granted mismanaged, but there will not be a second one and frankly, given that we in the U.K. are as fed up with Barnier’s intransigence, as with the shambolic attempt at negotiations, I suspect the majority for Leave could be even greater. The greatest danger to the U.K. now is a move by Rees-Mogg, Gove or Johnson on the Conservative leadership.
So is whingeing going to achieve anything?
If you feel you are banging your head against a brick wall, feel free to stop. To give it a rest. It can too easily become counterproductive.
Dont bleat about personal attacks- those work both ways as I am acutely aware, and if you must initiate discussion, let it be just that.

I appreciate that your efforts to reverse the referendum decision are genuine but, much as I may, or may not, agree with your sentiments, I fear you're on a hiding to nothing here. Gransnet is perhaps not best place to be getting your voice heard, especially if, as you say, those that actually do support you and agree with you "don't want to get involved". That doesn't sound like much of a majority making its voice heard, does it?

I think you've perhaps got off on the wrong foot in some of your earlier comments too and that possibly alienated some posters. Many/most of the posters on GN made their decision to want to leave the EU for just as valid reasons as you voted to stay in it. I honestly don't think you're going to make any headway, at this stage in the proceedings, in getting a second referendum or in getting anyone here to change their minds about their decision.

As for the personal attacks: you've made a few yourself.

I keep asking - what can be done now?

What so you expect to happen - what can remainers do to stop it!

Your are right that there might not be a Referendum on the Final Deal, and this because they know they are likely to lose by a significant majority, not a mere couple of %.

But we have to continue to try- here, and everywhere.
Some do not want to get involved here for fear of having their head bitten off, and personal attacks or derision. They will however be very happy to go and vote. In view of all that we know now about how so many people were poorly informed, and often fraudulently and deliberately mis informed - democracy demands that people be given a choice on the final deal.

Kitty, a vote on the final deal - a free vote in Parliament, if not a public vote. Simple.