so, when will you be starting stockpiling I wonder?

Jalima1108 , agree with your last post.

Apologise to anyone for the levity of my previous 2 posts, just trying to lighten the mood.

cherrytree59 BBC2 and yes it is on iplayer

Jalima1108
Your post 31/07/2018 13:03
How thoughful and caring...well said.

GrannyGravy, lightening the mood is good, I have switched off too, it’s all ‘what could happen ‘ in the media . We lived through ‘what could happen if Russia dropped the bomb’

As for cooking on a camp stove may i as a one time Akela who took cub scouts on two week camping trips summer , one week in winters advise cooking on a camp fire is a doddle , leave it to 9 year old boys , you will be amazed / horrified ?

Anniebach, hats off to you for being an Akela. Brown Owl and our local Akela were essential to our sanity when children were young. Husband and I (both working)had a few weekends a year to relax in the knowledge that our youngsters were safe and having a brilliant time, whilst learning life/team building skills.

Jalima My mother was horrified during wartime rationing when well-off people had great stockpiles of tinned goods - she said it went against all the principles of letting everyone have a fair chance of getting essential supplies, whatever their financial means. Even after rationing finished, when the shops were full and there were no restrictions, she was scornful of the selfishness shown by some.

Here's a thing. If, as we're told, poorer people tend to be fatter than less poor people and if the current alarms about food shortages turn out to be justified, could it not, after all, be a good thing and help with the obesity epidemic we keep being told about?

I wonder how many tins of spam were left at the back of cupboards when rationing finished?

*Jalima I can see what you mean 're processed food.
Panic buying now will undoubtedly cause problems later on and as you say it will be the less well off who will eventually suffer.

Community centres could ask for Tinned or long life produce donations from the general public.
They would probably have the storage space and could work with the food banks

Our local farm shop is full of fresh produce such as seasonal fresh vegetables fruit and meat to make Sunday dinner, stews casseroles salads etc.
And also to freeze if you so wish.
We are lucky that it also has a fresh fish supplier 2 days a week.
The fish is brought from Grimsby.

I think the weather is more likely to make home grown food scarce rather than Brexit.

I hope I have misunderstood your last postBaggs I’m sure I must have

If there are shortages of imported fresh fruit and vegetables, it’s possible that everyone might get fatter and less healthy as they fill up with bread and potatoes.

Perhaps people will have to learn to cook seasonally.

www.lovebritishfood.co.uk/british-food-and-drink/fruit-and-vegetables

As long as the UK can provide seasonal food including meat and fish we will just have to cook with what's available!

We have only a small garden and a plastic green house (bought for the GC's Easter)
However thanks to our small DGS's planting seeds such as peas, beans amd sweet corn
(just wish I knew the correct time to pick the cobs ) and planting up tomato and cucumber plants we have quite a little market garden going.
Oh and DH has managed to grow one aubergine!
Next year(brexit hard or soft) we will be adding potatoes in a dustbin and carrots to the list.
Children need to know where their food comes from (imho).

Thanks Ilovecheese

www.gardenersworld.com/how-to/grow-plants/how-to-harvest-sweetcorn/
We haven't grown any this year but it should be a good year for them!

Perhaps you have, gbob. Misunderstood, that is.

Irish peasants lived on potatoes and not much else without getting fat, janea. I've lived on a pretty high carb diet all my life without getting fat. The much vaunted, 'healthy', so-called Mediterranean Diet (which isn't a diet but just people eating what's around in that oart of the world) is high carb.

What I'm driving at, and some of you will be shocked, no doubt, is that for all the talk of hungry kids, one doesn't see thin ones much. You're much more likely to see an overweight kid than a thin one nowadays. I'm not counting normal weight kids as thin.

So what I mean is that what the media tells us doesn't hang together. Evidence is thin about real, actual shortage of calories (hunger) in this country.

All this is regardless of supposed Brexit consequences.

part

cherrytree59 and tonight at 8.o clock: Sausages!

Thanks Jalima will check it out.
I had looked on google but it said to pick when the cobs were still milky!
The cobs are hidden in their green wrapper (leaf like thingy)

Ilovecheese it took me a minute to realise it wasn't a dinner invitation.
I will watch from behind a cushion

Does it seem to be a selfish move for the better-off to empty the shelves of long-life foodstuffs by panic buying, spreading the word on the internet and causing shortages for those relying on food banks?

If people start stockpiling now then the shops will restock. The really selfish thing to do would be to panic buy on 29th March 2019.

It is very very sad to think that in such a wealthy country as ours people are having to consider that food bank users might go short if other people buy 'longlife' goods. I know your intentions are admirable, Jalima but it's an abominable situation.

Wait until the tassels start turning colour, then peel back the green covering and stick something into one bit (a little knife?) - it should be milky and moist.
Leave them too long and they are cattle food!

POGS further to your post of yesterday (30/07/18) you requested my opinion in regard to the EU freedom of movement for workers. That right of a European National to travel freely and work in any European Union member country has always been covered under what is known as the "four freedoms" of the EU, with the others being free movement of goods, capital and services. The foregoing makes for the very foundations of the EU Treaty all of which are legislated for under article 45 (TFEU)

To take the free movement of labour, that has affected various industries in any number of ways both beneficial and negative dependent on circumstance. However, in such a huge topic I feel we should concentrate here on the Road Transport Industry as that is where in my view the largest impact will be felt should a hard Brexit occur.

As I stated in an earlier post in this thread many Polish LGV drivers came to Britain in the 1990s under the free movement of labour legislation and were very much accepted in the road transport industry. in that, they in the main joined British driver agencies which supplement regularly employed LGV drivers in the most prominent Distribution companies during periods of high demand. In carrying out that employment they are paid UK agency rates of pay which are normally higher than drivers on regular employment contracts with the large companies.

In regard to internal staff in distribution centres, there has always been problems of recruitment and retainment with those jobs due to the unsocial hours required and heavy work connected to such employment. Therefore, many European workers (the majority Polish) have filled those positions from the mid-90s until 2016 when many both LGV drivers and internal staff seemed to return home.

Although I work these days in industrial safety, well over 50% of that work is involved with road transport companies and their employees. In that, my experience would be that the EU working time Directive has little to no effect on the industry as Britain was given an "opt out" to that legislation by the EU, the only country to have obtained such a condition

The legislation that will impact heavily on Britain I feel should a no deal Brexit take place, will be the EU Drivers hours regulations.That legislation despite being in existence for over twenty years will with the current LGV driver shortage be compounded by any delays which take place at the ports to bring near chaos conditions to the road transport industry.

As numerous leaders of the industry have and are still stating, clear guidance and planning needs to be brought forward immediately by the government if the above chaos is to be averted.

I thought it was LGV ( light goods vehicle ) MazieD could be wrong though

That's what I interpret it as, gillybob. There isn't a particular problem with them is there though?. Isn't it HGV (Heavy Goods Vehicle) drivers that are a problem?

I was thinking laterally MaizieD - but this is what happens when people panic buy and stockpile. Supply will not keep up with demand. Others are left short and usually those who can least afford it.

I'm sorry if you can't see that; it is a hypothetical situation but could happen.

However, on a brighter note, my neighbour popped over this afternoon and we had a quick chat because she said that the latest is that Brexit could cause real problems - no more foreign holidays apparently.
She, as a staunch Remainer, thought that was ridiculous scaremongering and that it is, in fact, in everyone's best interests, the UK and the rest of the EU, for all of them to sort everything out before B-Day. I agreed with her.

Apparently LGV used to be Light Goods Vehicle in this country, but it is now Large Goods Vehicle.
HGV stands for Heavy Goods Vehicle and LGV stands for Large Goods Vehicle

Under the UK and European law, the LGV licence and HGV licence are the same licence. They cover all commercial trucks that feature a gross combination mass of over 3500kg which could include fridge trucks, box vans, Lutons, flat beds, tippers and ADR, drop sides, and much more.

You can drive a Light Goods Vehicle with your normal car licence apparently.

Only if it's 3.5 tons or less (or should that be 'tonnes'?)

Though anyone born before 1979 can drive a vehicle up to 7.5 tons. I can but my DD (1981) had to get an HGV licence to drive our 7.5 ton horsebox.