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Are our MP’s standards of decency falling?

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Realgranddad Fri 20-Jul-18 11:02:16

In recent months we have seen and heard of many instances where Parliamentarians standards of behaviour have been under the spotlight, including sexual abuse, bullying, deceitful practices, sheer rudeness and arrogant behaviour. It therefore seems appropriate to ask if our MPs standards of decency falling ? Some believe our electoral system is no longer fit for purpose creating far too many safe seats and in several Constituencies secure jobs for life. What ever is the cause do we have an answer to why politics have hit such a low standards in so many of the electorate views, is tribal politics now out of control? This weeks standards have again brought the questions into the public debate. For instance what has got into the Tory Party that It finds itself accused even by its own members of gutter politics and sheer dubious malpractices this week, over the Pairing scandal. Julian Smith MP the Party Chief Whip has brought his party and the PM this disrepute this week over is deceitful behaviour on pairing. That and his insistence that MP’s who are disabled and in wheelchair along with sick MP must go
through the voting lobbies rather than the norm of being allowed a proxy vote with being in attendance in the Commons, it is totally unnecessary, nor is it a decent practice for any modern thinking party to adopt
There are now likely to be several immediate consequences that may now make the work of good government practicable: the first is that it is a self-inflicted wound for the government that could make it harder for itto get its business done. For while MPs of every party can fall ill, it’s only the governing party that has ministers whose work can take them away from the House of Commons. If the opposition parties don’t think that their pairs will be honoured then they will have no reason to extend the benefit. The second consequence is that it has significant repercussions for the personal lives of MPs, who will find it still harder to juggle work and life. Some will put major life decisions on hold to avoid inconveniencing their side, if they worry that they won’t be paired.
The thirdwill be the consequences that ought to happen, but won’t: that for the second time in three weeks, ministers will have misled parliament with no consequence. And those repercussions are the most troubling of all.
It is difficult to understand what is what is happening to a once great party that today seems to be losing it moral standings.

tigger Sat 21-Jul-18 13:08:08

Have standards fallen, or are we just more enlightened to what actually occurs?

Patticake123 Sat 21-Jul-18 14:25:07

I suspect that the behaviour of members of Parliament is the same as always it’s just communication is better these days.

Kim19 Sat 21-Jul-18 16:29:14

I'm wondering if there's any merit in limiting the number of times a person can sit as a constituency MP.

Pjkoctur Sat 21-Jul-18 17:59:06

Whew! And here I thought we Americans had the monopoly on bad behavior in politics. grin

mcem Sat 21-Jul-18 18:07:42

Excellent comment craftycat!

MaizieD Sat 21-Jul-18 19:28:49

No amount of increased public knowledge seems to stop Ministers breaching the Ministerial Code or MPs breaking the 'gentleman's agreements' of Parliamentary conduct without any comeback.

lemongrove Sat 21-Jul-18 22:00:22

Listening to Radio 4 this morning, it was stated that the Lib Dems ( which surprised me) had broken the pairing rule a lot, the Conservatives a few times, but Labour at least 50 times!
This is obviously a problem, and the ‘gentlemens agreement’ aspect only really works when the voting isn’t all that important.

Diana54 Mon 23-Jul-18 12:05:40

"In recent months we have seen and heard of many instances where Parliamentarians standards of behaviour have been under the spotlight, including sexual abuse, bullying, deceitful practices, sheer rudeness and arrogant behaviour".

That paragraph says it all, that really is normal behavior for the party whips, they don't actually use sex abuse directly but any dirt they have ( and they have a lot ) they use to persuade MPs to tow the party line. You may not realise but that extends right down to local councils, step out of line and you are out, that's what party Local Agents do. ( a friend of mine was kicked out for disobeying the party line )
Bullying in this way is what makes political parties strong, many MPs start as local councillors, wanting to serve the community, all quickly learn its serving the party machine that counts.

Can we change that, NO, we can replace those that get caught, the illusion that all those that we give power to are going to be honest and decent does not exist. That is true of all political elites wether democratic, socialist or communist. The only saving grace is that in the UK political misbehavior is much less prevalent than most other countries

PECS Mon 23-Jul-18 16:36:43

kim19 of current MPs Ì would include Dennis Skinner, Ed Davey, Diana Johnson, Peter Bottomly. I would also have listed Alan Johnson, Jo Cox, Simon Hughes if including recent but no longer serving MPs. There will be others....

MaizieD Thu 26-Jul-18 09:32:39

Utterly apalled this morning to find a sitting tory MP on twitter promoting a crowdfunding appeal for the young man who has been found to have broken the Electoral law.
This is the law under which she was elected to parliament; is she ignorant of the link between being a legislator and uoholding the law of the land?

I won't publish a link for obvious reasons....

Anniebach Thu 26-Jul-18 10:17:20

A female Labour MP charged with lying to police on two occasions re driving offences. Silly woman .

MaizieD Thu 26-Jul-18 18:43:12

Is it the same one, Ab?

MaizieD Thu 26-Jul-18 18:44:59

No, it's not. Mine's a tory...