Brexit

Perhaps you don't understand how a company that manages funds works.

I don't either but it seems clear to me that JRM is not personally profiting from the sale of those pills.

If you have solid evidence that he does personally profit from this fund, please supply it. It would boost your argument no end.

I'm sure he still gets dividend payments from his company...

Or does he donate them all to charity?

Oh some believe JRM to be the devil incarnate

Guilty until proved innocent, then, 'twould seem. The politics of envy.

Yes, quite, lemon.

What more proof do you need to see that JRM is guilty of serving himself at the expense of the British people?

JRM may not be the devil incarnate but he's a very naughty boy.

Someone can have an entirely different political outlook, e.g. that capitalism benefits the British people rather than being to their detriment rather than thinking capitalism is bad for most people, without being a self-serving monster.

Jess Phillips seems to think JRM is a decent human being whilst disagreeing with him on political issues.

I'm sure he still gets dividend payments from his company...
Not necessarily.

Was it Jess Phillips whom JRM showed round his constituency? They may have opposing views but seemed to get on fine!

Why don't you think he'll get any dividend from his company, Jalima? Does it not make a profit for its shareholders?

Why don't you think he'll get any dividend from his company, Jalima?
I didn't say that he didn't.

I said he does not necessarily receive dividend payments from his company.

Has he invested in his own funds? Do we know? Or does he take a salary? Do we know that?

I should hope that the fund managers he employs do invest well to provide good returns for their investors - who are not shareholders; they are investors in the funds.

I hope all who criticise fund managers who make profits for their clients have checked very carefully where their own pensions are invested.

A no-deal Brexit poses a substantial risk to public safety, with police officers instantly losing vital access to cross-border investigative powers and databases, the home secretary has been told in a damning letter from the national body of police and crime commissioners.

In the leaked document – marked “official sensitive” – the police leaders urge Sajid Javid to immediately draft contingency plans, warning that officers faced “a significant loss of operational capacity” should the UK crash out of the EU in March.

They say that they are becoming “increasingly concerned that such a loss of capacity could pose significant risks to our local communities”, and urge the home secretary to act swiftly to address their fears.

The letter from the Association of Police and Crime Commissioners (APCC) cross-party Brexit working group was after consultation with the National Crime Agency and the National Police Chiefs’ Council. The document expresses alarm that the government does not appear ready for such a crisis.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/aug/06/police-leaders-warn-home-secretary-public-safety-threat-from-no-deal-brexit

Of course these police chiefs are experts - experts in public safety and security. We know our brexit government doesn't believe in experts so perhaps why they may just be ignored.

If JRM does get dividends from his or any Company or payments from anywhere, it will be declared, so it can be checked if people are that interested. If I had share's or investment in a Company I would expect dividends.

Looks like the possibility of the UK walking away from the EU with no deal has brought a conciliatory announcement from Bernier....at last.

Originally posted:
2nd August 2018

Op-ed by Michel Barnier, the European Commission's Chief Negotiator for the negotiations with the United Kingdom
The United Kingdom will leave the European Union on 29 March 2019. While we regretted the UK's departure, we respect its sovereign decision. Our task is now to organise the disentanglement of the UK from the EU's institutions and policies. And we also need to look towards the future.
After Brexit, the EU will remain a global player, with 440 million citizens, and one of the biggest world economies. The UK has been an EU member for 45 years. We share common values and have a number of common interests. The UK, which is a member of the G7 and the UN Security Council, can be an important partner of the EU, economically and strategically. In the current geopolitical context, we have an interest not only to strengthen the EU's role in the world but to cooperate with the UK as a close partner.
How can we achieve a new partnership?
First, we need to make sure that the UK's exit is orderly. 80% of the Withdrawal Agreement is agreed. We will protect the rights of more than 4 million EU citizens living in the UK and British nationals in the EU. This was our first priority and a major point of vigilance for the European Parliament. The UK has also agreed to honour all its financial obligations undertaken as an EU member. A 21 month transition period will give businesses and administrations time to adapt, as the UK would stay in our Single Market and Customs Union until 31 December 2020.
However, 80% is not 100%. We still need to agree on important points, such as the protection of "geographical indications". This refers to the protection of local farm and food products like Scottish Whisky or Parmesan cheese, where EU protection has generated significant value for European farmers and producers. We need to find solutions for specific British territories, such as the UK's sovereign bases in Cyprus, and Gibraltar on which bilateral negotiations are ongoing between Spain and the UK.
The biggest risk caused by Brexit is on the island of Ireland. We need to make sure that Brexit does not create a hard border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, and that the Good Friday Agreement, which has brought peace and stability to Northern Ireland, will be protected. Today, the cooperation and exchanges between Ireland and Northern Ireland occur within the common framework of the EU. Since we will not know what the future relationship will bring by Autumn 2018, we need to have a "backstop" solution in the Withdrawal Agreement. The UK agrees with this, and both the EU and the UK have said that a better solution in the future relationship could replace the backstop. What the EU has proposed is that Northern Ireland remains in a common regulatory area for goods and customs with the rest of the EU. We are ready to improve the text of our proposal with the UK.
Secondly, we need to agree on the terms of our future relationship.
Let's be frank: as the UK has decided to leave the Single Market, it can no longer be as close economically to the rest of the EU. The UK wants to leave our common regulatory area, where people, goods, services and capital move freely across national borders. These are the economic foundations on which the EU was built. And the European Council – the 27 Heads of State or government – as well as the European Parliament have often recalled that these economic foundations cannot be weakened.
The UK knows well the benefits of the Single Market. It has contributed to shaping our rules over the last 45 years. And yet, some UK proposals would undermine our Single Market which is one of the EU's biggest achievements. The UK wants to keep free movement of goods between us, but not of people and services. And it proposes to apply EU customs rules without being part of the EU's legal order. Thus, the UK wants to take back sovereignty and control of its own laws, which we respect, but it cannot ask the EU to lose control of its borders and laws.
But I remain confident that the negotiations can reach a good outcome. It is possible to respect EU principles and create a new and ambitious partnership. That is what the European Council has already proposed in March. The EU has offered a Free Trade Agreement with zero tariffs and no quantitative restrictions for goods. It proposed close customs and regulatory cooperation and access to public procurement markets, to name but a few examples.
*On security, the EU wants very close cooperation to protect our citizens and democratic societies. We should organise effective exchanges of intelligence and information and make sure our law enforcement bodies work together. We should cooperate to fight crime, money laundering and terrorist financing. We can cooperate on the exchange of DNA, fingerprints, or Passenger Name Records in aviation to better track and identify terrorists and criminals. We are also ready to discuss mechanisms for swift and effective extradition, guaranteeing procedural rights for suspects.
If the UK understands this, and if we quickly find solutions to the outstanding withdrawal issues, including the backstop for Ireland and Northern Ireland, I am sure we can build a future partnership between the EU and the United Kingdom that is unprecedented in scope and depth*.

ec.europa.eu/commission/news/ambitious-partnership-uk-after-brexit-2018-aug-02_en

Note on Security:

On security, the EU wants very close cooperation to protect our citizens and democratic societies. We should organise effective exchanges of intelligence and information and make sure our law enforcement bodies work together. We should cooperate to fight crime, money and terrorist financing**We can cooperate on the exchange of DNA, fingerprints, or Passenger Name Records in aviation to better track and identify terrorists and criminals. We are also ready to discuss mechanisms for swift and effective extradition, guaranteeing procedural rights for suspects.
I am sure we can build a future partnership between the EU and the United Kingdom that is unprecedented in scope and depth.

ec.europa.eu/commission/news/ambitious-partnership-uk-after-brexit-2018-aug-02_en

For you Varian: Parliamentary Committee Security, shared intelligence, policing.
Extensive worth reading.

Key forms of security cooperation with the EU
10. This report considers three key forms of cooperation in detail:
• Europol: an agency which coordinates cooperation in policing across Europe. It was established in 1999 and became an EU agency in 2009. Europol enables law enforcement officers from across the EU to work together on joint investigations, access a variety of Europol services, including forensics, analysis and training, communicate with ease, and share data on operational and intelligence matters.
•The European Arrest Warrant (EAW): an advanced surrender agreement, to allow for the rapid extradition of individuals who are wanted by one EU Member State for a serious crime, but who reside in or have travelled to another Member State. It is underpinned by the so-called ‘mutual recognition’ of judicial decisions.
•Data-sharing: EU criminal justice agencies enjoy real time access to EU-wide data on suspects wanted for arrest or questioning, stolen vehicles, missing people, criminal records, DNA and fingerprint data, and criminal offences and structures. The Government has identified a number of particularly valuable sources of EU data on criminal matters, including the Second Generation Schengen Information System (SIS II), the European Criminal Records Information System (ECRIS), the Prüm Decisions, and the Europol Information System. These are described in Chapter 5 of this report.
11. A number of additional measures and agencies were referenced by witnesses to this inquiry. These included the European Investigation Order, an EU legal instrument aimed at speeding up inter-state assistance in criminal investigations; and Eurojust, the EU agency responsible for coordinating cross-border investigations and prosecutions, which provides funding for law enforcement agencies to work together in Joint Investigation Teams. We have chosen to focus this inquiry on the three areas of cooperation most commonly identified by the Government, law enforcement agencies and inquiry witnesses as crucial to the UK’s policing capabilities. Other issues relating to security at the border were covered in our recent report, Home Office delivery of Brexit: Immigration.5
The Government’s negotiating objectives
12. The Government’s official position on security cooperation was first set out in September 2017, in a ‘future partnership paper’ on security, law enforcement and criminal justice. It was then clarified in a speech by the Prime Minister to the Munich security conference on 17 February 2018. As of today, the Government’s stated objective in the Article 50 negotiations is to maintain the UK’s existing policing and security capabilities, as part of its future relationship with the European Union.6
13. The future partnership paper states that “it is in the clear interest of all citizens that the UK and the EU sustain the closest possible cooperation in tackling terrorism, organised crime and other threats to security”. The Government proposes that “new, dynamic arrangements” for cooperation “should allow both parties to continue and strengthen their close collaboration on internal security” after Brexit. It calls for a partnership that “goes beyond the existing, often ad hoc arrangements for EU third-country relationships in this area”, drawing on legal models for cooperation in other areas, such as trade.7
14. The Government proposes that the UK and EU should negotiate “a strategic agreement that provides a comprehensive framework for future security, law enforcement and criminal justice cooperation”. It states that this should be achieved through a new security treaty, which would provide a clear legal basis for continued cooperation. It says that this will need to include:
•Mechanisms to “maintain operational capabilities”;
•Provisions to ensure that the relationship remains “versatile and dynamic enough to respond to the ever-changing threat environment”; and
•The creation of “an ongoing dialogue” for sharing criminal justice challenges and, where appropriate, tackling them jointly.
15. The Government suggests that such a model would be “underpinned by shared principles”, such as a “high standard of data protection and the safeguarding of human rights”, and that it would provide for dispute resolution over, for example, “interpretation or application of the agreement”. Such a mechanism would also need to be compatible with the Government’s oft-stated aim, reiterated in the paper, that “the UK will no longer be subject to direct jurisdiction of the CJEU [Court of Justice of the EU]” after Brexit.8
16. The Policing Minister told us in January that the Government’s “broad intention” in policing and security cooperation was to “emerge from these negotiations with an outcome that is as close to the status quo as possible”. He said that the Government will also seek “a treaty that allows us to have the kind of relationship where we continue to work together in the way that we worked together in the past”.
publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201719/cmselect/cmhaff/635/635.pdf

There does not seem to be a win situation unless there is a second referendum that votes remain and that is extremely unlikely. All we have is a deal on terms dictated by EU which is likely to be a Norway type deal, or no deal at all.
We are not going to get the Canada plus deal vaunted by Boris and others, any EU deal is going to involve continued wrangling for many years maybe decades. So there is no orderly option just uncertainty, as Rees Mogg said for 50 yrs.

A "quick and easy deal, UK holds all the cards, EU needs UK more than UK needs EU, German carmakers will force Merkel's hand, EU27 will never stick together as UK allies peel off for bilaterals"etc Will Brexiteer Ministers ever apologise for so many false statements told to the public? Liam Fox , he of the “easiest deal in human history”now says a no deal more likely. So many lies.

I don't think they will, crystaltipps. They're preparing the "It would have been easy if it hadn't been for the nasty EU not co-operating" narrative.

A lot of voters would agree with Crystaltipps and no doubt BMW, VW and Mercedes would sell less cars but that would be balanced out by them buying less Jaguars, Landrovers, Toyotas, Nissans and Hondas built in the UK. EU manufacturers are not looking forward to no deal but will cope and any tariffs will be reciprocal for certain.
The big potential loss to the UK is no deal on financial services, if the EU sets up its own system that will hit taxation income hard, because of that Teresa May is desperate for a deal.
For travelers a visa will be needed, again if we require a visa for EU travelers one will be needed for us. I don't see any sign of the EU 27 breaking ranks, in fact they seen very United.

Of course they are. They've been warned to tow the brexit line or risk a reduction or even loss of EU funding!! What would you do?!!!

Maybe you could google the article today in I think the times about EU countries and how if it came down to the line Germany would choose the EU every time over trade with U.K.

I'm sure they would along with France, but they are the EU main players, wealthy distributors! It's strange that we never hear the individual opinions of the government's of 'taker' countries! Poor things, they simply wouldn't dare for fear of what the bully boys could and probably would do to them. Remember Greece!!

Ian McCafferty, a member of the Bank of England's monetary policy committee, says that fewer EU bankers are now coming to work in London.

"We are getting stories on (how) the numbers of French and German and other European bankers that are coming to London have fallen quite sharply over the last couple of years," McCafferty told LBC radio.

www.theguardian.com/business/live/2018/aug/08/us-china-trade-war-pound-euro-brexit-oil-business-live?page=with:block-5b6aacf9e4b038d7c3b15dd7#block-5b6aacf9e4b038d7c3b15dd7

Could we ever recover from this?

Probably not in our lifetimes (assuming you are not an ultra wealthy currency speculator)