Time to put differences aside and help the Greek people

I give up.

and sick response from some
Obviously something's being lost in translation.

What you said was ambiguous, Jura and people took from it something that you didn't mean. For so many people to receive the same impression of what you were saying is a measure of how ambiguous it was.

It is not a sin to post something ambiguous, and it is not a sin either to have taken it in a different way to as it was meant.

It was not at all in my mind- yes I can see it might have been for some. so gentle questioning would have been appropriate, attacks and insults, not.

People have linked it to other issues, because that is their agenda and their mindset. I can't be responsible for them.

Please GN, can you delete my account and never allow me back, as I requested 1 week ago. Please- I do not want to be part of this Community.

jura2
So why didn't you just stop posting 1 week ago?

If you remain untouched by such tragedy- I do feel sorry for you

That is a shocking thing to say - everyone feels nothing but sympathy, a sick feeling at the thought of so much suffering and a wish to help

I am so glad I am a caring human being.

I did not understand what angle you were coming from in your OP jura and I think that others were equally bewildered.

Oh, jura, come on! Most of us simply asked what you meant, as we were genuinely baffled by your talk of "putting our differences aside". But really, your subsequent posts were bound to rub people up the wrong way.

If anyone has been insulted on here, I'd say it was Fennel.

You can delete your own account, GNHQ does not have to do it for you.
You are the only one who can decide not to come back again if you do not wish to. GNHQ will, I presume, allow you back if you should ever change your mind again.

I am so glad I am a caring human being.
I am sure you are, as are so many Gransnetters.

Last time I remember this happened there was a relief fund set up here for victims as there has been after earthquakes there; presumably the same will happen again this time. The British people have always been most generous with their support after disasters worldwide.

People have linked it to other issues, because that is their agenda and their mindset.
Sorry jura you were the one who mentioned differences and we have no idea what that meant.

As far as I know we have no differences with Greece whatsoever. ~Very puzzling.

That's ok, petra is right, and you win, hurrah, as
that now makes me a LEAVER - pheew.
Adieu, Au Revoir, toodlepip.

I do not often enter these controversies, but what could we have done that is not being done and what are the differences in Europe that are leading to them not being done?

If these two points were explained, it would be possible to have a reasoned discussion.

Thanks Maggie .
I have a thick skin, for some things.

No chance of a reasoned discussion when jura is spoiling for a fight, I'm afraid.

jura If you had simply said ' I hope there will be a united response to the tragedy in Greece.. ' but your suggestion that political/ religious differences might make people not want to do what was possible to help needed clarification.

Wow, what on Earth have we missed while we were having a pleasant friendly lunch in charming Market Harborough?
? ? ??
Perhaps OP had a grannies’ task force in mind?
#stillnonethewiser

Getting back to the tragic situation in Greece, has the UK sent any sort of assistance ?
Those poor people who were trapped and died together, its difficult to comprehend.
I'm not sure what is happening now, only the death toll is up to 80.

I don't know, but "Nikos Toskas, the public order minister, said there had never before been so many offers of firefighting help and lauded the solidarity other countries had shown. "

I think the nearest countries can probably be most help at once in practical ways - too many agencies all crowding into Greece could get in each other's way and hinder rather than help. There will be a need soon for rebuilding houses and caring for those who have lost everything. That will cost money and need expertise. Presumably the UK government and charities are making plans.

Iam64 dare I admit that the Trumpisms were beginning to become apparent /get to me too?
“Low, very low” “sad, so sad”
I admit to complete bafflement as to why this thread was started and why the sh*t hit the fan when clarity was sought.
Ah well, perhaps Jura will reconsider when or if she calms down.

I read the thread title and thought: "What differences? Are Greek people different from other sorts of people?"

Ha! I see others had similar thoughts.

Mentioning differences was just daft. Human beings need help. People are sending help, as they always do when a disaster occurs.

Well maybe it was just daft- I nevr ever thought it could or would me mis-interpreted. But here you go, what YOU CAN DO:

If you live abroad
Médecins du Monde (Doctors of the World)

Donate here.
Or use your web banking for a wire transfer to their Greek accounts :
National Bank of Greece IBAN: GR27 0110 1410 0000 1412 9611 217 / SWIFT/BIC: ETHNGRAA / Branch: KIFISIA 141
Alpha Bank IBAN: GR06 0140 1990 1990 0200 2002 401 / SWIFT/BIC: CRBAGRAAXXX / Branch: VRILISSION 199
Piraeus Bank IBAN: GR03 0172 0180 0050 1800 5706 640 / SWIFT/BIC: PIRBGRAA / Branch: Platea Attikis 2018 / Account holder address: Sapfois 12, Athens, 10553
Hellenic Red Cross

The Hellenic Red Cross has opened an account where people can donate.
Eurobank IBAN: GR64 0260 2400 0003 1020 1181 388 / SWIFT/BIC: ERBKGRAAXXX / Branch: KORAI 240 / Account holder Address: Likavittou 1, Athens-Kolonaki, 10672
Municipality of Rafina-Pikermi

The municipality of Rafina-Pikermi, one the zones hit hardest by the fires, has announced the opening of an account in collaboration with Piraeus Bank, accepting donations for those wishing to contribute.
Piraeus Bank ΙΒΑΝ: GR20 0172 1860 0051 8609 2291 418 / SWIFT/BIC: PIRBGRAA / Branch: Rafina 2186 / Account holder address: Arathinidon Alon 12, Rafina, 19009
Donate basic items (London)

St Mary’s Hospital — Praed St, Paddington, London W2 1NY — Maternity Ultrasound Reception — Cambridge Wing

Queen Charlotte Hospital , Du Cane Rd, White City, London W12 0HS- Maternity Ultrasound Reception

Collection hours 09.00am- 4.00pm Monday to Friday

Useful contact information. Thank you, Jura

Thank you, I was searching but perhaps nothing had been set up when I looked earlier.

It's great that so many countries are helping Greece at the moment - but that is surely as it should be and is what happens in disasters of this nature.

It's a shame that instead of helping Greece in its financial crisis a few years ago, the EU instead imposed the most draconian measures on it. Many people have been made absolutely destitute and the suicide rate has rocketed. I think it is inevitable that the terrible austerity forced on Greece has affected all its public services, including the fire service.

It needs to be remembered that the reason Greece had to face austerity was because its government had been utterly reckless in the way it ran its economy for many years. Constantly overspending, failing to collect taxes properly, especially from the wealthy, and relying on borrowing on international markets to fund the excess.

When that happens sooner or later the birds come home to roost and the creditors got scared and demand repayment. If Greece had not been in the EU, which offered help, inevitably, under strict terms. and had been left unprotected to face its creditors the state of Greece now would be far worse than it actually is.

Greece is in a mess of its own making. This should not and has not affected the humanitarian help being offered in this current emergency.