Labour Party and anti semitism

Maw, it is the fate of the Gang of Four which causes MP’s to stay within their own party and fight from within.

Did anybody listen to The Reunion on Radio 4 yesterday.? It brought back memories of the Gang of Four and the formation of the SDP
Oh for politicians of the calibre of Shirley Williams today!

OldMeg, I seem to have spent my life ‘slugging it out’ ?, I
am the only person to be voted off the Church council , twice . Daft to complain about heated disagreements in politics.

Ally, there will be no breakaway from the Labour Party , no idea why Farron is thinking of a centre party, he is a liberal, it took labour 14 years to get out of the wilderness.

I don’t think the country will go with Corbyn, he cannot erase his past. I still believe if Yvette Cooper had won the leadership contest Labour would have won the last election.

But we are now in unknown times, no party has been run by outside forces as Labour is now run by Momentum and the communist party.

The top table of Labour is very quiet about Boris , they can’t go at him all guns firing because of the anti semitism in their party. Corbyn’s past again.

I will give Anniebach credit for standing her ground and being prepared to slug it out with those of us who disagree with her.

She doesn’t go running to GNHQ shouting ‘someone’s upset me’ like some do!

Thank goodness that there are still some people like you Anniebach who are still honourable.

Also Anniebach I have heard that Tim Farron and John Woodcock are getting together and there is some muttering about them looking to a Centre Party. You might have heard more than I have. I thought the Centre party days were gone with New Labour and the Lib Dem/Conservative coalition. Obviously TF and JW don't think so.

Devor, I take so much critcism for not criticising the tories, for me it would by hypocritical when the party I belong to is in a mess . I can’t shout ‘some in the Tory party are racist when some in the Labour Party are anti Semitic.

You beat me to it AB. Boris did indeed take one for the Labour team.

Corbyn must be thanking Boris for taking the heat off him regarding anti semitism.

For those asking abut a centrist group /party have you heard of/been part of www.compassonline.org.uk ? It is quite active locally.

Good post,*Devorgilla*. My view too.

Devor, I so agree with you. I too feel some sympathy for him, when he first took the stage for PMQ it was Sonia from Sunderland or David from Devon, now he reads what is written down , can’t deviate from the piece of paper he clutches. He is a puppet and out of his depth.

He cannot wipe out his past so has to remain silent, avoid interviews. He is not a man for the world stage.

Apologies - should read 'for' instead of 'or' in line beginning "That is why....."

AB, JC never had control of his current situation. It just happened it was his turn to put his head above the parapet for the hard left. Like Brexit, it was never supposed to happen. He is controlled now by an inner circle who in turn are determined to control the party and membership. Having said that, he does have the reputation of never changing his mind once it is made up, and I have that from someone who has known him personally for over 50 years. That is why I did not vote or him in either of the two leadership contests. It saddens me greatly that it is no longer enough to be a member of the Labour Party, the Coop Party and a Union to prove your left credentials. You now have to join one private company or another. The ultimate capitalisation of democracy.
On a personal level I feel sorry for him as he looks so harassed these days compared to his carefree self as a back bench MP. 'The buck stops here' is a heavy weight to carry in any political party.

Devor, I will vote, thank you. A real adult can't take control , Momentum and Len McClusky stand between Corbyn and the MP’s on the back benches , I don’t think Corbyn has control now, his silence is loud.

Oh please do vote AB. Don't disenfranchise yourself. If it helps you decide look up #JC9. No need to explain why - it will be self explanatory.
As for Starmer being in Corbyn's shadow cabinet, we need someone speaking sense on Brexit as far as he is allowed. I suspect that is why he went in in first place.
I said in 2010 that we elected boys to do an adult's job and it is painfully obvious that many of them, still there, cannot get past the mischief making of the 'your mum' playground variety or the student politics of their day. Will a real adult please stand up and take control?

I will vote, taking great care, choosing then checking .

A strong opposition is vital, but not far left or far right, they bring hatred and envy. I canvassed through the Thatcher years and Labours wilderness years, and before and after.

There will not be a breakaway party, I could be so wrong. the left of centre labour MP’s have not forgotten what happened the last time some labour MP’s broke away because of the far left taking over and forming a new Party,it brought a Tory win. They know Corbyn will bring disaster to the party but will stay and fight against the far left sgain. Margaret Hodge has said this, ‘ I will stay a member and fight within my party.

The big threat is deselection by momentum members. The centre left has learned from the wilderness years but so has the far left. 1983 they were openly Trotsky, now they are trying to hide their true colours.

So true lemongrove. Whichever party is in Government the Country deserves a strong Opposition. Essential to true representation.

Follow your instinct Anniebach. Not the first time you have seen this, although not with a leader who support's the far left before.

My feeling is that the Labour Party will come through this. All Political party's are being given a shake up right now. Another poster mentioned centrist parties. I don't know what you think, but my view is, that time has past for now, it was never successful, since we need a right and left in politics, that allows the Opposition party to function. When every one was in the Centre, so many people on the right and left where unrepresented as we saw, in both the centrist Conservative times and in the New Labour era as well. At least that is my view, from the outside. You might have a more insightful view Annie.

Iam, because I am now probably paranoid,

Why not use your vote Annie? I know people who used their vote to avoid the Monentum candidates

I have read many times the blurb on the NEC candidates , I don’t think I will vote this time , it’s been reported Momentum has nine candidates , how risky is that?

So sorry Fennel, I too am sad it has come to this , I fear for it not surviving , a once proud party reduced to this mess

Lam - I was talking to husband about this today, and the idea came to me that perhaps the time has come for the UK to move away from the 2 to 3 major party system. 4 if you include youkip. Then there are the Scottish parties and NI.
Both main parties have apparently irreparable splits.
If it happens it could lead to a change in the electoral system to proportional representation. And would probably result in more coalitions.
Going back to our LP, there's no way Corbyn could have united the current party.

Neither can I in reality Annie - but if the two main parties continue to fall out amongst themselves, to move ever further to their own extremes is it possible we either have more moderate independents or even a new party. Can't see it in my lifetime.

"Your sad the charges have been dropped Fennel ?"
I didn't mean that at all Annie.
I'm sad that our party seems to have descended into chaos and infighting to this extent.