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Labour Party and anti semitism

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Anniebach Sun 29-Jul-18 12:49:18

both Margaret Hodge and Ian Austin now face disciplinary action , Margaret for telling Corbyn he was anti semetic and Ian for telling a close friend of Corbyn the party has become a sewer . Freedom of speech not allowed in the party.

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 09:03:11

True Iam, but I firmly believe it is true and now Trevor Phillips has said the same . Corbyn devotees will continue to deny it is true and claim it’s false news or the right wing press lying.

There is no hope for the return of the true Labour Party, it is dead.

Iam64 Mon 10-Sept-18 08:48:26

I accept we go round in circles with this issue, no one seems likely to have a significant change of mind.

When you have Trevor Phillips supporting Chuka Umunna's view that the LP is institutionally racist, it's surely impossible to deny we have a problem (Houston)

Anniebach Mon 10-Sept-18 08:24:15

Trevor Phillips supports Chuka Umunna , the Labour Party is instutionally racist.

Trevor Phillips also said Corbyn is anti semetic

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-mp-chuka-umunna-says-13216603

Anniebach Sun 09-Sept-18 09:47:14

Thank you both, it was some years ago that we discussed this.

Fennel Sun 09-Sept-18 09:27:26

Or HaShem literally 'the name'

Devorgilla Fri 07-Sept-18 22:45:54

Yes AB that is correct except there is another H - YHWH

Anniebach Fri 07-Sept-18 21:03:13

In the Jerusalem Bible the name Yaweh is given , I believe in Judaism it is spelt with just consonants which are too sacred to speak . YWH or similar .

One of the Bible Studies i chaired , we studied different books, but this one was a few years ago so I may be wrong with YWH .

Devorgilla Fri 07-Sept-18 20:35:07

AB, I think it is the Jewish religion that does not utter the name of God. They certainly don't write it in full in their scriptures.

Jalima1108 Fri 07-Sept-18 20:34:36

I suppose so OldMeg.

OldMeg Fri 07-Sept-18 20:31:57

trisher that is the most likely scenario.

OldMeg Fri 07-Sept-18 20:30:55

Not quite. That’s been the sticking point

Jalima1108 Fri 07-Sept-18 20:21:38

I thought it had been established that anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism were not the same thing?

POGS Fri 07-Sept-18 17:16:45

trisher

Who would they be then?

Anniebach Fri 07-Sept-18 11:28:11

As you say, “there may be” but there may not be

trisher Fri 07-Sept-18 11:22:24

It has occurred to me that there may be some people who have an interest in not wanting to see a left wing government that would support the Palestinian people, recognise a Palestinian state (which has been passed but not acted on), agitate at the UN for the admission of Palestine and ask that Israel be admonished for not complying with UN resolutions. Would they use anti-semitic accusations to prevent such a thing? I think some might.

Anniebach Fri 07-Sept-18 10:22:58

Suppose saying ‘the mighty one’ or heaven forbid -

The honourable one’ instead of the name would be acceptable ? grin

Isn’t there a religion where their God’s name is too revered to be uttered ?

nigglynellie Fri 07-Sept-18 10:17:40

confused confused

Anniebach Fri 07-Sept-18 10:03:59

Thread title - Labour Party and anti semetism

Joan Ryan is a Labour MP, vote of no confidence , reason ?

Smeared Corbyn’s character.

Took place yesterday ,

Puzzling - how can this mornings news be branded ‘ same old’ ? Anyone explain this ??

Grandad1943 Fri 07-Sept-18 09:29:57

Same old.... Same old.... Same old....its Corbyn.

Anniebach Fri 07-Sept-18 08:32:06

It is happening more and more, bullying is the new way of controlling the Labour Party.

Joan Ryan has lost a confidence vote, 94 - 92, seems she smeared Corbyn’s character , she voiced her views in the anti semetism row and is a member of Labour friends of Israel.

OldMeg Fri 07-Sept-18 06:26:24

Disrupting council meetings is nothing new, especially from the public gallery. If people feel strongly about something then this will happen. More often it’s about planning permission than anything else. Recently around here the Tory-led council has been giving planning permission for Green Field sites to be developed. This has angered many.

POGS Thu 06-Sept-18 18:20:27

Sadly Fennel I am not surprised reading this account .

There is report after report of this sort of thing happening , not necessarily anti-semitism related but during council meetings etc. as told by Labour MP's and councillors.

Fennel Thu 06-Sept-18 18:02:26

I've tried to stay out of this, but really it's getting ridiculous:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-45431237
Just over the bridge from us.

POGS Thu 06-Sept-18 14:47:06

trisher

Your point re bulldozers exhibits the lengths to which the boycotting of Israeli goods is just the tip of the iceberg in that case.

OldMeg Thu 06-Sept-18 12:08:12

Or rather was