Deal or No Deal

Vivian123 I rarely comment on the political threads but well said I agree with everything you said.

For the reasons I gave above Flexi. No-one really believed that Leave could possibly win !

I remember telling family members to get out and vote, but they didn't as they thought there was no chance of a leave vote winning and their little vote wasn't needed. How many others felt like this?

The majority voted out and those who didn't vote don't count because for whatever reason they chose not to have a say.

I think the problem was Vivian123 that no-one quite believed that a Leave vote could possibly win and so all of those who should/would/could have voted Remain just sat back and expected others do if for them, except it back fired in such a catastrophic way didn't it?

"No deal” is not better than a bad deal. A no-deal Brexit is the worst possible outcome. It would be catastrophic for people and businesses on both sides of the Channel. It would be a disaster at the Irish border. It’s therefore incredibly concerning that no deal is looking ever more likely – with both the UK and EU ramping up preparations for this worst case scenario.

It’s worth repeating what “no deal” actually means. According to the government’s own secret analysis, details of which were leaked to the Sunday Times in June, we’d see food and fuel shortages in a couple of weeks (and much earlier for some parts of the country), we’d struggle to get medicines, and operations at the Port of Dover would collapse “on day one”.

infacts.org/no-deal-is-looking-more-likely-it-would-be-catastrophic/

Is this really what anyone wants?

The majority who voted voted out, we cannot know how those who didn’t vote would have voted

I should have said the 48 million who did not vote for brexit ( and at least some of the 17 million who did)

Varian, this is of course, a matter of opinion.

Over 50% of those who voted decided that the UK will be better off outside European control.

I admit that not all those eligible to vote, actually voted, but everybody had a chance and the majority who did vote, voted OUT.

In all elections, the turn out is never 100% and those that didn't vote have to accept the will of the majority.

European Common Market could have been a wonderful thing, if it had been left as a common market, just for trade. Unfortunately it became a state of Europe, with rules and regulations being made in the way that, once independent, Countries had to observe, European Courts telling us how we must administer laws.

The British Constitution has been around for many more years than Brussels has existed. It has served us well and has been followed by many Countries. The US, Australia, New Zealand, India, West Indies and many others. It works and is much fairer than that imposed on us, at the moment.

I do feel sorry for Scotland, who did want to remain shackled to Europe. I take it that Scotland is doing well from European subsidies. Unfortunately, the English are paying a small fortune to Brussels for it,

Prior to the referendum in the 1970s, we traded well with our Commonwealth Cousins and continue to do so, New Zealand Lamb, West Indian fruit etc. There is no reason why this shouldn't continue, as it does, at the moment.

There is worry that the car industry will disintegrate. If that is so, then why are foreign companies expanding their plants in the UK?

Europe needs the UK and is terrified of losing the billions that we have to pay, each year. Only Germany pays more. The money that will remain in our Country should offset anything that we receive, at the moment, from the EU. We are paying for what we receive, we don't get more back. It is the smaller economies that win with Europe. Oh! and France, of course. We pay in much more than we get out.

There are a lot of people who are making big money from Europe and they do not want to see the gravy train disappear. All MEPs will lose their vast salary, as will the British, unelected, commissioners. Just look at the Kinnock family, who made a fortune from Europe and did nothing to help this Country.

The best place for GREAT BRITAIN is in GREAT BRITAIN, trading with our allies. The US is awaiting us. China is awaiting us. The scope is vast and we can prosper better away from the shackles imposed on us by the EU.

Enough of my rant, I haven't even mentioned Border control, but that can wait for another day.

Any decent politicians who would have stood up for us have been barred from any negotiations ...e.g.Nicola Sturgeon who is well respected in Europe and further afield and her party both in Westminster and Holyrood.
Of course as we are being treated as a "region" and not a country theres no chance of the 62% who voted remain here ever getting an opinion or making a difference.Thats UK politics for you!

Where have the other 18.5 million people disappeared to?

If only Devor , if only

I often ask myself the same question. We are on an unstoppable rollercoaster it seems to me. It would be great if we had a politican who went some way to resembling an adult with statesperson like qualities who would stand up and say we need to reconsider the whole shambles.