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No disclosure restriction on Windrush victims

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trisher Sun 05-Aug-18 14:40:37

Well as the media debate and pontificate over the possibility of anti-semitism in the Labour Party the government has once again taken another unspeakable decision and is asking victims of the Windrush debacle to sign Non disclosure agreements if they want an early payment. The Home Secretary told a select committee just 3 weeks ago that this wasn't happening, but it seems it is. So a government minister can lie and people who have been treated very badly can be forced to keep silent, or have to wait longer for compensation, and it barely makes the news, whereas discussions within the LP are front page. The possible suffering of some people it seems is more important than the real suffering of others.

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 13:53:59

If it exists Annie and lemongrove it is the sort that needs careful analysis of a definition and does therefore not directly impact on people's lives. Whereas these people have been actively discriminated against and are now being asked not to tell anyone about it or to have their payments delayed. I ask once again why are they not all over the news?
Google it lemon it has been in the Independent and the Guardian.
There's also a story about a man who died. His British citizenship was removed, he fought for 10 months, but didn't see a doctor because he thought he wouldn't be treated. He died of a heart attack. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/20/windrush-mother-wants-home-office-role-in-sons-death-looked-at
Why is all this just in the inside pages?

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 14:11:18

If it exists trisher? you are in denial , racism hurts, racism harms , racism kills, denying it exists is supporting racists,there is no such thing as degrees of racism, it exists or it does not,sadly you are supporting racism in the party you claim to support .

A trump supporter said on being asked about trumps antics with Russia said, it doesn’t matter, we won.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 14:21:16

To quote Corbyn - anyone who denies this has surfaced within our party is contributing to the problem

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 14:42:46

Try quoting the whole sentence and not part of it Annie. Now you've brought racism up let's consider things, the Windrush generation are black. Now if there is racism it could be that the media (and especially certain papers) prefer not to report black issues because its audience wouldn't like it. However that doesn't explain the attitudes of yourself and lemon to the problem-or does it?

OldMeg Mon 06-Aug-18 14:52:54

Bloody hell! This is discussion about NDAs and the Windrush not about one person’s obsession with Corbyn bashing,

That’s it! You’ve fnally driven me off GN with your persistent drivel Annie. So as this post will doubtless be deleted and as I don’t give a toss, can I suggest your obsession is almost reaching unhealthy levels.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 15:13:22

You can suggest what you choose OldMeg, and do read all the posts, trisher brought anti semitism in it not me.

Anyway , do take care

Ilovecheese Mon 06-Aug-18 15:20:56

OldMeg I would rather you stayed, your posts are rational and intelligent. I know that some things are very irritating, but could you just try to ignore them and carry on posting.

Eloethan Mon 06-Aug-18 15:40:52

I agree with Ilovecheese. The constant Corbyn-bashing is very tiresome but please don't let it drive you away.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 15:50:56

Some find the truth too difficult to accept so go into denial

OldMeg Mon 06-Aug-18 15:51:05

Well thank you Ilovecheese and Eloethan that was a pleasant surprise. Good advice, ignore the ‘tiresome’ and ‘irritating’ - it is hard on these forums as in RL I could just literally walk away.

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 15:54:46

Annie racism hurts, racism harms , racism kills, denying it exists is supporting racists
I agree with you and anyone who refuses to discuss policies that have resulted in people losing their citizenship, their jobs, access to health care and even being exiled to another country is, in my opinion, colluding with these actions and is therefore racist.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 16:10:16

So we are both racist Trisher ?

Not wishing to join a discussion doesn’t mean one doesn’t agree with what is being said. Denying something exists which does exist is so different

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 16:17:12

I haven't denied anything Annie I have said that I have yet to see someone who has lost their home, their job, their access to healthcare or any other major life crisis because of anti-semitism in the LP. If you have evidence to the contrary please post it. And that it therefore seems strange that what is in effect wrangling over language should be considered more important than real life suffering by the media.
But even as I typed this I realised that your hatred of Corbyn is more important to you than these human tragedies.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 16:24:50

trisher, you said - if it exists

yet you know it does, the leader and deputy leader has accepted it does exist , you say if

A person doesn’t have to lose their home or access to healthcare to be a victim of racism

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 17:00:59

As I said your hatred of someone is more important than people who are suffering. So no point in engaging with you Annie. It's sad really.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 17:19:24

Using the hatred accusation still trisher, I expect that from one or two others but you are too intelligent to use playground nonsense

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:26:46

Just a minute here trisher ......excatly what attititude am I displaying ( in your rush to call posters racists.)
I have hardly commented at all, other than saying if it is true ( the NDA’s) I must do some reading.I cannot accept every OP comment on face value which is why I wanted to read more about it.
Now, think carefully before you label other posters as racists.

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:28:53

And you still aren’t accepting the antisemitism within the LP.....now there’s a surprise!

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 17:30:42

There's a thread on that lemon No crossed threads-naughty naughty. Wonder how many posts on here I could get deleted for that???

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:38:28

Wonder if I was to get your posts deleted that are trying to label myself and Annie as racists ?
Fortunately for you I prefer to let them stand and be read by others to show what you invariably do on threads, which is to slying attack posters who don’t share your exteme left wing views.
I will comment on the Windrush NDA’s when I have read more about it from a reliable source.

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:40:27

If the NDA’s are being used, I will then try to find out exactly why, and not use knee jerk feelings against a Conservative government.
If I then feel they should not be used, I’ll say so.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 17:46:23

I have googled for more on the NDA only found it the Sun lemon

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 17:49:22

The Sun?!
Really, hardly reliable material trisher

Joelsnan Mon 06-Aug-18 18:32:02

homeofficemedia.blog.gov.uk/2018/08/06/reporting-on-windrush-compensation/

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 18:50:40

In the Independent 2 days ago and today's Guardian. I thought you were researching this lemon? just google and there it is!