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No disclosure restriction on Windrush victims

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trisher Sun 05-Aug-18 14:40:37

Well as the media debate and pontificate over the possibility of anti-semitism in the Labour Party the government has once again taken another unspeakable decision and is asking victims of the Windrush debacle to sign Non disclosure agreements if they want an early payment. The Home Secretary told a select committee just 3 weeks ago that this wasn't happening, but it seems it is. So a government minister can lie and people who have been treated very badly can be forced to keep silent, or have to wait longer for compensation, and it barely makes the news, whereas discussions within the LP are front page. The possible suffering of some people it seems is more important than the real suffering of others.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 18:51:58

Thank you Joelsnan, I fail miserably when I googled for info.

That’s cleared up

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 18:55:10

So you think it is OK to stop someone speaking about the ill treatment they have been given lemon and link their compensation to that?
Could you explain to me any circumstance in which you would find it acceptable?

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 19:26:48

trisher having now had time to look into this story, it’s actually a non story as the Windrush claimants are not being asked to sign disclaimers at all.
None of them will have to do this.....none

No I don’t think it would be acceptable, do show me where I thought and said that it was.
Just accept that you rushed to judgement with your OP.

trisher Mon 06-Aug-18 19:35:19

So when Sajid Javid says I can confirm that Windrush generation cases are sometimes addressed through this route … Whilst there is no requirement, settlement offers are sometimes accompanied by confidentiality clauses, depending on individual circumstances. he was lying?

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 19:39:22

No he wasn’t lying, it was in a letter published before the select committee where he said there would be no NDA’s
It had evidently been thought of in certain cases ( particularly for one case) but was then dismissed as not the right route to go down, so they didn’t.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 19:45:02

trisher, you didn’t read Joelsnan’s kink ?

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 19:47:32

I think all need to read the link before anyone else weighs into this debate.

OldMeg Mon 06-Aug-18 19:48:07

I fail miserably when I googled for info ah! That explains a lot!

Joeksnan shame in you posting kinky links ?

OldMeg Mon 06-Aug-18 19:49:57

Nothing like a bit of unwelcome publicity shining a light into dark corners to have policy reversal is there?

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 19:55:19

It hadn’t happened, so not exactly policy reversal.
Lots of things are talked about when dealing with any claimant situation, and if it had been the policy and was being implemented as the OP suggested that would have been a different matter entirely.

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 19:56:39

This is exactly the sort of ‘news’ that needs careful looking at before settting off the cannon.

Anniebach Mon 06-Aug-18 19:58:54

Welcome back OldMeg, a very short leave

OldMeg Mon 06-Aug-18 22:30:05

A policy can be a proposal lemongrove - and somehow this sounds quite within the remit of Tory thinking. It has doubtless been put back into the murk from which it first emerged precisely because someone ‘set off the cannon’. Otherwise it might have slipped in unnoticed in exactly the same way the whole Windrush Scandall did.

lemongrove Mon 06-Aug-18 22:48:53

‘Sounds quite within the remit’ etc.
Amusing, .....sounds like the kind of thing they would do, very fact based!
They didn’t !
The OP says clearly that they are doing.
End of non story by OP.

OldMeg Tue 07-Aug-18 06:10:53

Oh squeals from the far right at the very suggestion that May’s so called ‘government’ could contemplate such a policy!

OldMeg Tue 07-Aug-18 06:13:07

The Guardian revealed last month that several Windrush citizens had been paid some compensation by the Home Office, but then asked to sign an NDA, to the concern of others still waiting for assistance.

End of? Really?

Eloethan Tue 07-Aug-18 08:16:15

Yes, welcome back OldMeg - said with sincerity, not sarcasm.

lemongrove Tue 07-Aug-18 08:24:05

OldMeg I don’t happen to be ‘ far right’ just as you may not be ‘far left’ ( although if you are a Corbyn fan, you may be.) You may also ( or not) be new to GN for that matter.

I simply like to get facts straight before I dive in.Reading something ( even in the sainted Guardian) is no guarantee at all that you have the facts. Read the link from Joelsnan.

lemongrove Tue 07-Aug-18 08:27:16

It doesn’t matter what governments contemplate, it’s what they actually do.
I often contemplate not cleaning the bathrooms....but then think better of it.

trisher Tue 07-Aug-18 09:33:25

The one thing I do admire about this government is its ability to squirm out of things asap. They are able to alter policy if it suddenly dawns on them that the cat is out of the bag and people actually know what they are up to. Of course they weren't just contemplating it, they trialled it and word got out, so they dropped it like a hot potato. If you want to use the bathroom analogy, it's as if you had squirted bleach down the loo, then suddenly realised your visitor was an environmentalist and tried to wash it away.

Anniebach Tue 07-Aug-18 10:13:40

Like Labour was going to discipline Margaret Hodge but then decided not to

Jalima1108 Tue 07-Aug-18 10:25:21

What can be learned from this thread?

Do not take at face value everything that you read in the MSM.
Do some research first

Anniebach Tue 07-Aug-18 10:26:30

True Jalima

OldMeg Tue 07-Aug-18 10:29:04

What does being a ‘new’ poster have to do with anything lemongrove? In fact I’ve been posting for nearly 9 months now so assume I’ve earned my right to post my opinions by now?

The quote from the Guardian stands IMO as more than contemplation. It stated quite clearly that “several Windrush citizens had been paid some compensation by the Home Office, but then asked to sign an NDA”

Or shall we just dismiss that as Trump-like ‘fake news’?

I agree with trisher that this was trialled - hence the report from Windrush citizens - and then it was dropped when they realised it was just another of their ill-considered ideas.

It certainly doesn’t require any stretch of the imagination.

Jalima1108 Tue 07-Aug-18 12:28:21

The quote from the Guardian stands IMO as more than contemplation. It stated quite clearly that “several Windrush citizens had been paid some compensation by the Home Office, but then asked to sign an NDA”

Again - the MSM

The Guardian is no more to be trusted as a source of true information than any other rag.