If there was another EU referendum Part 2

Although I want to see a People's Vote when the terms of the "Deal" are known, with the option of remaining in the EU, I am not optimistic that our democracy could not again be subverted, as it was two years ago, by the combined efforts of foreign billionaires and tax exiles controlling a large chunk of our media, the dark forces operating on social media and the lies and cheating of the Leave campaign.

However, every now and again, there is a glimmer of hope, such as this heartfelt plea from Alex of Edinburgh, who voted Leave, but now says "We need to end this madness now"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsjLptWQosY

^ our government should make it clear that our food standards will not be compromised.^

Whether we manage to achieve this depends on who wants the deal most, I think.

Remember Mad Cow Disease?
I certainly do Greta - and that's a reason why we cannot donate blood in Australia.

I also remember EU beef which was in fact horse meat.

jalima
That's what most remainers seem to have missed. If you want to trade with us, these are our standards. Simples

Quite, Jalima, our government should make it clear that our food standards will not be compromised., but will they? Remember Mad Cow Disease?

Although I have no wish to eat beef which has been subjected to hormonal growth promotants, I have to say that not all Australian beef has received this treatment, in fact much less than 50%.

Their use is very strictly controlled and monitored in Australia and has been for very many years.

However, if we are to enter into trade agreements with countries that use such hormones or bleaching of chickens, we must make it clear that our food standards will not accept such products.

Why do so many posters do a disservice to the British people:
Brexit will bring Chlorinate Chicken, hormone pumped beef diseasd lamb, double headed fish.

Goodness those of you who post this stuff will you accept this?
I certainly wouldnt and I think we have enough intellegence as a society only to accept what we want.
And as i doubt many Americans die of ' death by Chlorine dipped chicken'. And Australians spontaneously change sex because of hormone infused burgers, there may be those in our community who may want this food.

A few years, Jalima

I thought it was all terribly easy and would be in place by 30th March 2019.

I'm still negotiating.
Back in a few years.

We await your expert opinions with bated breath, then, Jalima

I assume you are saying that Jalima from your position of being an expert in trade negotiations?
It's out on social media now, oh dear.

I would suspect that a number of these countries are rubbing their hands with glee and thinking that they can renegotiate deals with the UK to get more advantageous terms, such as a loosening of the standards required by the EU (hormone fed Australian beef?) And the UK, being in the position of supplicant, because we need those deals, with a far smaller market to offer, and not to mention not having enough experienced negotiators, are likely to cave in.

Of course, all that an happen now is preliminary talks because we can't actually negotiate and sign deals until we leave the EU.

Joelsnan: I would imagine that the government knows what business is done with each of these countries and is in negotiation with none EU partners to develop seamless trading links.

I wouldn't imagine the government as a whole has any idea what business is done with whom. And the person (Liam Fox) who is supposed to be doing these negotiations isn't, and is now saying we will crash out.

The only sensible thing now would be to cancel the whole Article 50 thing, and go on as we were, until such time as we have someone in a position to negotiate with enough information to make sense.

Does that prove that the EU is unnecessarily bogged down in bureaucracy?

I assume you are saying that Jalima from your position of being an expert in trade negotiations?

Even if we had only half that number how many do you think we'd need for renegotiating all the trade deals listed? And do you think that the UK has that many with the necessary expertise?

We had a discussion about PFI a while ago when it was noted that our civil servants, being nor very experienced at negotiating such deals, were shafted by the big companies who were experienced. I suspect we could find ourselves in a similar situation with trade deals.

I'm sure that we do have people who are competent at negotiating trade deals; they will have formed part of EU negotiating teams, but on their own I very much doubt that there are enough of them.

As per 'Exit from Brexit' thread, I urge anyone who hasn't done so already and who wants a second referendum to sign the People's Vote petition:

www.peoples-vote.uk/people_s_vote_petition_smashes_targets_with_over_125_000_signatures_in_48_hours

A clip has emerged from 2011 in which the MP for North-East Somerset called for a second referendum on the terms of a deal with the European Union.

In the clip from a Houses of Parliament debate, Mr Rees-Mogg said: "You could have two referendums and as it happens, it may be more sense to have the second referendum after the renegotiation is completed."

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/james-obrien-jacob-rees-mogg-second-referendum/

Because crystal amazingly, there are a few on GN who do support the opposition bunch of numpties.

jalima
That's 30.857 per country!!!
Bureaucracy, what bureaucracy.

Why do some people think that those who criticise the current bunch of numpties that call themselves a government support the opposition bunch of numpties?

Good point Jalima

Oh, I just realised that I said more

The EU’s trade deal with Canada (CETA) took 8 years, was goods only and required a Canadian trade negotiation team of 864 negotiators.
Does that prove that the EU is unnecessarily bogged down in bureaucracy?

It’s been done to death all over the Internet. What more is there to say?
You're right - and us saying anything at all will not make a jot of difference

Or should that be 'we'? Was that grammatically correct?

No doubt someone will put me into Pedants' Corner.

Well I admire your dedication to the topic MaizeD , I do hope you had a large glass of wine after posting, I am enjoying one now as I troll through your exceptional post ?cheers x x

You are right of course bee at the moment there is nothing new to say.