Exit from Brexit

oh dear, you don't think he'll be interested in turning my 2s 6d into ten bob then?

^JRM certainty is not a gullible innumerate fool, he is a highly intelligent manipulator, an elitist who thinks most of the population are peasants, cattle to exploited and slaughtered^

Neatly summed up there Diane54. It mystifies me why anyone would ever think that JRM or BJ are to be trusted or depended upon. I do think however, that even the most guillible of the electorate do not fall for the 'good old Boris' act anymore......we can but hope.

Sophie Walker, head of the Women’s Equality Party, told its annual conference in Kettering that women had almost been sidelined from the Brexit vote in June 2016, urging the party to back calls for a new referendum. She vowed to work with parties across the bloc to produce a “feminist manifesto for Europe” and would encourage women from across Europe to stand on a united platform.

Criticising the state of British politics, Ms Walker said: “We have been left with a choice between two parties, neither of which has a plan that commands support at home or abroad. That means the most likely scenario is that we crash out of the European Union without any deal at all – which would be disastrous for women."

politicmag.net/politics-news/brexit-news-no-deal-would-be-disastrous-for-women-warns-equality-party-leader-politics-news-uk-3262-2018/

Eurostar trains would be turned back from Europe if Britain crashes out of the EU without a deal, a leading French minister has warned.

Nathalie Loiseau, the minister for European affairs, said it was “correct” that both trains and planes from the UK would be barred without an exit agreement.

“If we reach no agreement this is what will happen, among other things,” Ms Loiseau told an event in London.

The warning comes one week after a secret Treasury document acknowledged there were questions about “rail access to the EU” if there is a no-deal Brexit.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eurostar-trains-brexit-no-deal-uk-eu-london-paris-nathalie-louiseau-a8536316.html

Food and livestock could be delayed at UK borders in the event of a no-deal Brexit, the National Audit Office says. The public spending watchdog warns the government has failed to hire enough vets to process exports from the UK in its no-deal preparations.

The Department for Food and Rural Affairs says it's preparing for a range of scenarios and has hired extra staff.

But the Committee of Public Accounts chairwoman, Labour's Meg Hillier, said: "We are rapidly running out of time."

National Farmers Union president Minette Batters said the report showed Defra was not ready for a no-deal situation. She warned a "crash-out scenario" would be "Armageddon" for British farmers, who needed a "free and frictionless trade deal" with the EU to operate. Defra is one of the government departments most affected by Brexit.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45492079

Some farmers may have voted for Brexit, but did any of them vote for "Armageddon"?

... and the animals. Now personally, I would love all live exports to be stopped - Brexit or no Brexit.

Perhaps the sight of lorryloads of sheep and cattle being shot after being stuck on M20 or M26 (new car park) because they can't be fed or watered or kept in the lorry - will concentrate the mind a bit.

Some of these right-wing brexiters claim to be animal lovers. Mind you it doesn't stop many of them supporting blood sports, where human beings consider the torture and slaughter of animals to be "jolly good fun," so even that may not alter their attitude to brexit.

I heard a tv discussion on the possibility of a People's Vote where the swivel-eyed rightwinger on the panel threatened civil unrest if the 17m were "betrayed". Should we cave in to these bullies? I don't think so. I hope there is a huge turnout for the big march next weekend.

www.peoples-vote.uk/march

Here is an incomplete list of uncomfortable truths that the British government, its supposedly left-wing opposition in the Labour party, and the 17.4 million people who voted for Britain to leave the EU do not want to hear.

There is no plan, and there never was a plan. The “Leave” campaign never had the integrity to present the public with a program for withdrawal. If it had, voters might have realized that Brexit would either bring a huge dislocation as Britain tore itself out of an integrated European economy, or would turn Britain into an EU satellite state, obeying its rules but without a voice in their formulation.

The head of Vote Leave, one of the two umbrella groups leading the 2016 campaign, explained in June 2015 that constructing workable proposals for Britain’s future was “an almost insuperable task…

There is much to be gained by swerving the whole issue.” Instead of honestly confronting Britain’s place in the world, the campaign offered brazen lies: Brexit would deliver £350 million ($462 million) a week to our health service; Turkey was about to join the EU and flood Britain with millions of Muslim migrants.

www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/07/12/how-the-bbc-lost-the-plot-on-brexit/

This seems like a good place to put this graphic, then varian
Too big for the side of a bus, alas.

Thanks , could you give it as a shareable link, please.

Some of these right-wing brexiters claim to be animal lovers. Mind you it doesn't stop many of them supporting blood sports, where human beings consider the torture and slaughter of animals to be "jolly good fun," so even that may not alter their attitude to brexit.

Do you mean fox-hunting, shooting varian?
What about the left-wing brexiteers - do they favour fox-hunting, shooting, or a different type of 'blood sports' eg dog-fighting, ferreting?
Bringing class into the referendum vote is surely wrong.
So many wear flat caps these days.

I am just curious to know why you think that.

Bringing class into the referendum vote is surely wrong.
I'll amend that

Bringing class and a liking for blood sports of a particular type into the referendum vote is surely wrong.

It is just plain bloody stupid to say Right/Left wing Brexiters as it is to say Left /Right wing Remainers. Some posters have actually lied about the way I voted for example.

As for bringing class into it the one common denominator I have observed is the ' working class ' who voted Leave are illiterate , xenophobic , fools . Yet another time we are told Labour voters did not vote Leave it is all the Tory Party who brought us to this mess and are the party of Leavers.

There is no he/she/they /who/what that can define how 72.2 % of the eligible vote , nor how 33. 6 million people voted .

It can be argued the share of the vote for a particular constituency denotes the feeling and if the constituency is 'known' to be left or right then a fair assessment can be made but even that is NOT foolproof as the EU Referendum was not a Left/Right choice .

There is however a great deal of spin to suit the narrative and rhetoric which as stupid as making statements about knowing how /who/why all the 33.6 million voted. .

@jura

I don't have a link for the actual graphic but I got it from this twitter thread:

twitter.com/NHSvBrexit/status/1051921228347379712

As for bringing class into it the one common denominator I have observed is the ' working class ' who voted Leave are illiterate , xenophobic , fools . Yet another time we are told Labour voters did not vote Leave it is all the Tory Party who brought us to this mess and are the party of Leavers.

I'm a bit that you are equating 'working class' solely with Labour voters, POGS. A lot of working class people vote tory.

The most nonsensical claim that the brexiters make, over and over again, is that "the Leave voters knew what they were voting for".

They didn't know - how could they possibly have known when even now, two and a half years later, nobody knows what brexit will mean - to themselves, their families, their communities or the country. Nobody knows. Nobody knows the likely consequenses of "the deal" (if there is one) or the appalling "no deal" scenario.

All we know for sure is that we can never have such a good deal as we have now and we would do well to listen to the experts - in business, international trade, academia, health, manufacturing, agriculture, construction, administration, transport, security, defense, the arts and so many other areas of our national life who all tell us that any brexit will be bad, but a "no-deal" brexit will be catastrophic..

varian you've posted that "nobody knows what brexit will mean* and that goes for those who voted for and against it. That doesn't seem to prevent the constant rhetoric from some remainers that it will be a complete disaster though does it, and the constant sneering at those who voted leave.

The experts you refer to in your last paragraph don't know for certain what Brexit will mean either, but once again you're telling us that in their opinion "any brexit will be bad". How do they know when you've stated "nobody knows what brexit will mean*?

It is quite possible to understand that any kind of brexit will be bad without knowing which of the bad brexit scenarios we might be heading for.

We will know more in a day or two, the best that is likely to be offered is a Norway type deal and to be honest I don't like having to obey their rules with, no say on making the rules.

The only way that Remain is going to happen is for a second vote, there are far too many MPs saying the 1st vote should be respected.

I would certainly vote remain again but I'm not hearing any great groundswell of demand for remain, everybody seems to believe the rubbish fed to them by the media.

Maisie d

" I'm a bit shock that you are equating 'working class' solely with Labour voters, POGS. A lot of working class people vote tory. "
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I couldn't agree more and yet there is a persistence by some even on GN Tories are wealthy toffs isn't there Maizie d.

I seem to confuse you often.

varian you've posted that "nobody knows what brexit will mean and that goes for those who voted for and against it.

It does and it was also quite difficult to find out exactly what continued membership of the EU was going to bring too.

No.*Jalima*. Continued membership of the EU is far easier to understand.

We don't buy a pig in a poke, we don't jump over a cliff, we don't try to make an egg out of an ommlette - we just carry on being a very influential member of the world's biggest and best trading block, enjoying all the benefits of EU membership whilst not being in the Euro, or in Schengen and having a rebate - in other words the best deal of any EU nation.

Who in their right mind would want to throw that away?

‘Very influential member’.........you are surely joking?!

Being in the EU was buying a pig in a poke in the first place.

If you can't see that brexit is the pig in the poke, surely you have no understanding of the state we are in.

For some of us yes varian continued membership of the EU was far easier to understand which is why so many voted to leave.

lemongrove "very influential member" and those who voted for Brexit are accused of believing lies.