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Allegations against Alex Salmond.

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paddyann Fri 24-Aug-18 16:24:46

Thought I'd get it on before the SNP bashers did .Heres the statement from the First Minister,Its fair and I'm sure its unusual in politics where things are often swept under the carpet and MP's allowed to get away with things by their leaders.
Nicola Sturgeon said:

“Complaints were made in January relating to Alex Salmond by two individuals.

“These complaints have been considered since then under a procedure covering ministers and former ministers that was agreed by me in December 2017 in the wake of public concern about harassment.

“Although I have been aware for some time of the fact of the investigation – initially from Alex Salmond – I have had no role in the process, and to have referred to it before now would have compromised the integrity of the internal investigation, which I was not prepared to do. However, I was informed by the Permanent Secretary earlier this week that she had completed her investigation and that she intended to make the fact of the complaints public.

“Alex Salmond is now challenging the Scottish Government’s procedure in court. The Scottish Government refutes his criticisms of its process and will defend its position vigorously.

“However, this focus on process cannot deflect from the fact that complaints were made that could not be ignored or swept under the carpet.

“I have been clear on many occasions that all organisations and workplaces must make it possible for people to come forward to report concerns and have confidence that they will be treated seriously. For that principle to mean anything it cannot be applied selectively. It must be applied without fear or favour, regardless of the identity, seniority or political allegiance of the person involved.

“My relationship with Alex Salmond obviously makes this an extremely difficult situation for me to come to terms with. I am also acutely aware how upsetting this will be for my party. However the over-riding priority must be to ensure fair and due process. I would also ask that the privacy of those who have complained be respected.”

Jane10 Sat 25-Aug-18 18:03:59

He refused to answer repeated questions asking if he had been warned before about how he addressed women.
Goodness knows what will happen. One woman's account of his 'sexual misconduct' has been leaked to the press. Sordid stuff.

Sparklefizz Sat 25-Aug-18 18:45:08

And I notice, not just with Alex Salmond, that these fat old ugly men who claim to be touchy-feely with everyone and that "it's just my way", are not touchy-feely with fat old ugly women ..... only with younger attractive ones. I wonder why that is?

Jane10 Sat 25-Aug-18 19:32:38

Glad I'm a minger!

trisher Sat 25-Aug-18 19:54:24

Actually he does hug other people. There's a photo of him hugging Tony Blair and this one. Don't particularly like the man but balanced view is necessary

paddyann Sat 25-Aug-18 21:43:35

sparklefizz I take it you are a slim stunning looking woman,otherwise why would you talk about others being "ugly" .Alex Salmond is not ugly ,neither in nature or looks.You do know he has been married to his 81 year old wife since he was 26 and she was 43 ? Happily married ,never been any rumours of infidelities ..on either side .And yes hes a huggy guy,just as Nicola Sturgeon is a Huggy girl.A friend of mine met her in the street and as she is a huge fan ,she walked up to her and hugged her

,Her thought as she put her arms round the FM was ..oh god I've broken allsorts of protocol .Later when she put it on an SNP site Ms Sturgeon answered her by saying it was fine and well within HER idea of protocol!
Just a wee bit different from the curtsying Mrs May ...you might even say these people are HUMAN.

paddyann Sat 25-Aug-18 21:48:50

Jane 10 "leaks in Scottish politics usually mean someone with a grudge telling porkies ...remember Alistair Carmichaels fictional leak about the FM and the French consular official? The fictional "leak" entirely made up and leaked by Mr Carmichael...the one the courts agreed were lies as did the official concerned ...then he got off because politicians all lie and got a charity to pay his court costs
Couldn't make it up could you?

Chewbacca Sat 25-Aug-18 22:01:20

Still no sign of any SNP bashers?

Hellooooo! Are you there?

nigglynellie Sat 25-Aug-18 22:04:18

Paddyann, why is it that you can never resist a pop at Mrs May. All of us on here have been supportive of A. Salmon, even those of us who don't actually care for him that much, but no, off you go again never missing a chance for a dig! Mrs M was curtsying to the Queen fgs, and hardly likely to greet her with a touchy feely hug!!!

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 22:10:22

I don’t think we can compare Nicola Sturgon with queenie .
Unless Ms Sturgon has been crowned and no one said.

Chewbacca possibly the SNP bashers are the Scots voters who didn’t vote SNP?

paddyann Sat 25-Aug-18 22:20:15

cant stand the woman,she has been a disaster an ongoing disater for Scotland and the whole UK ,I have no idea why anyone voted for her and her loathsome party of incompetents .Didn't compare her with Lizzie *Annie"

Eloethan Sat 25-Aug-18 22:20:26

I suppose we just have to wait until the matter has been properly investigated but I'm hoping that it's not true because, from what I've seen of him, Alex Salmond seems OK.

On Scottish independence threads I'm fairly sure there were some quite rudely dismissive comments about the SNP, one being:

"What I should have expressed more clearly is that many people see 'SNP' and just move on without reading further."

Chewbacca Sat 25-Aug-18 22:20:28

Possibly Annie. There's a paucity of them on GN that's for sure. OP must be gutted.

lilypollen Sat 25-Aug-18 22:27:02

I'm not on any side but reference earlier comments about the time lag between alleged offence and accusers coming forward. This has been occurred many times since the Savile scandal. People feeling able to report alleged happenings.

Chewbacca Sat 25-Aug-18 22:28:42

Not been the case on this occassion though Eloethan. In fact the majority of posts have been supportive and sympathetic towards Alex Salmond and I'm wondering why the barbed comment about TM was necessary. I'm no fan of TM at all; but it kind of looks as though the OP has been spoiling for an argument since 16.24 yesterday when this thread opened (about SNP bashers), and now its obvious that everyone is supportive of AS; TM gets chucked in to stir things up a bit. hmm

Anniebach Sat 25-Aug-18 22:44:35

Who not in Wales concerns themselves with Plaid Cymru. Not In N I with Sinn Fein , I expect it’s the same for those not in Scotland with the SNP

Eloethan Sat 25-Aug-18 23:46:20

anniebach I'm interested in Plaid Cymru, Sinn Fein and the SNP and in what is happening in Wales, Ireland and Scotland. It seems to me it would be quite inward-looking to just focus on the area in which you live and have no interest in anywhere else - after all, we are all part of the UK (at least for the time being!).

Chewbacca I do agree, though unsurprisingly I'm not a fan of hers, that the comment re May was a bit of an unnecessary deviation from the subject matter.

trisher Sun 26-Aug-18 09:50:53

Must admit though I can't imagine anyone hugging Mrs May!

Anniebach Sun 26-Aug-18 09:58:28

Are you Eleothan, I am not realy interested in Plaid Cymru and I live in Wales.

nigglynellie Sun 26-Aug-18 10:15:05

Not that over enamoured with A. Salmon or N Sturgeon, but am too polite to say what I really think of either. However, I would defend anyone against false accusation including these two without adding a sly barbed comment.

nigglynellie Sun 26-Aug-18 10:16:57

Mr May does! hug Mrs May, as we all saw on TV last year!

Jalima1108 Sun 26-Aug-18 11:04:58

I think it is most unfair when a prominent figure is accused of something unspecified like this whilst the accusers remain anonymous and the so-called 'offence' is unknown.

Jalima1108 Sun 26-Aug-18 11:06:18

I've never known you express any interest in Plaid Cymru Eloethan!

The only interest I have is that Leanne's hair looks much better down than up.

Jane10 Sun 26-Aug-18 11:13:45

I'm wondering what exactly might happen. He's not an MP, MSP or any other sort of representative. If there is enough evidence for police to charge him with an offence what offence would/could it be? What's the worst that could happen?
Not bashing SNP as its not an SNP matter. Nicola Sturgeon has behaved exactly as she should have. Absolutely no complaint there.

Caledonai14 Mon 27-Aug-18 11:50:51

The publicity storm around this has made it impossible for anyone to get to justice or the truth.

There are extra protections in Scottish law to attempt to arrive at a fair trial, should one become necessary. These usually apply once someone is charged, but the circus is happening now and we don't even know if it will go as far as a courtroom eventually.

This seems to be a cynical fishing attempt to see if there are any other alleged victims out there in a bid to strengthen the case for a prosecution.

Other people I've admired in the past have turned out to be less than perfect, but I've seen the effect of false allegations on people's jobs, lives and families.

My best hope is that Mr Salmond is cleared, but - equally - I want victims of any misdoing to be believed and supported.

Alex Salmond did and does so much for Scotland, this is a very hard scenario for us to deal with and I hope that the Scottish government, his party and the police stop pratting about with the issue and either progress it or move to conclude with as much all-round fairness as can be salvaged.

Jane10 Mon 27-Aug-18 11:59:45

Just waiting for the outcome of the judicial review. The permanent Secretary was going to make a statement but that was halted, at least temporarily, by the request for the judicial review.
Time will tell I suppose.