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Allegations against Alex Salmond.

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paddyann Fri 24-Aug-18 16:24:46

Thought I'd get it on before the SNP bashers did .Heres the statement from the First Minister,Its fair and I'm sure its unusual in politics where things are often swept under the carpet and MP's allowed to get away with things by their leaders.
Nicola Sturgeon said:

“Complaints were made in January relating to Alex Salmond by two individuals.

“These complaints have been considered since then under a procedure covering ministers and former ministers that was agreed by me in December 2017 in the wake of public concern about harassment.

“Although I have been aware for some time of the fact of the investigation – initially from Alex Salmond – I have had no role in the process, and to have referred to it before now would have compromised the integrity of the internal investigation, which I was not prepared to do. However, I was informed by the Permanent Secretary earlier this week that she had completed her investigation and that she intended to make the fact of the complaints public.

“Alex Salmond is now challenging the Scottish Government’s procedure in court. The Scottish Government refutes his criticisms of its process and will defend its position vigorously.

“However, this focus on process cannot deflect from the fact that complaints were made that could not be ignored or swept under the carpet.

“I have been clear on many occasions that all organisations and workplaces must make it possible for people to come forward to report concerns and have confidence that they will be treated seriously. For that principle to mean anything it cannot be applied selectively. It must be applied without fear or favour, regardless of the identity, seniority or political allegiance of the person involved.

“My relationship with Alex Salmond obviously makes this an extremely difficult situation for me to come to terms with. I am also acutely aware how upsetting this will be for my party. However the over-riding priority must be to ensure fair and due process. I would also ask that the privacy of those who have complained be respected.”

Lucylastic Sun 02-Sept-18 19:40:02

Alex Salmod was known as a hard taskmaster who expected civil servants to pull their weight and make every penny of the budget work for Scotland. As does the current Scottish Government under Nicola Sturgeon.
Compare and contrast with the previous labour administration at Holyrood, who enjoyed a cosier relationship with the Scottish civil service and succeeded in returning over one billion pounds unspent to Westminster.

lemongrove Sun 02-Sept-18 19:42:46

I understand why you want him to be proved innocent Granny23 and he may well be.
However you know what they say about husbands who have affairs, the wife is the last to know, so you could also be wrong about him.
Nobody should be judged beforehand, so the old 'waiting and seeing' [rarely popular] is the best bet.

Jalima1108 Sun 02-Sept-18 20:08:48

the supposed relationship between Alex and Tasmina Ahmed Sheik
Oh - surely not!! I am sure he is a man who likes to get a word in edgeways.

Riverwalk Sun 02-Sept-18 20:33:50

Granny23 I understand your turmoil but am surprised at you saying

In this case I do not know the complainers, nor the substance of the complaints.

As I said earlier, in last week's Sunday Times one of his accusers was named, presumably with her consent, and the details were quite explicit - touching of breasts and lying on top of her. I think she was a civil servant.

Also, in his BBC interview he says 'I'm no saint, I've got flaws'.

As a feminist, how would you normally interpret that phrase? Isn't it often shorthand for the office pest who is, at the very least, too touchy-feely, gives excessive hugs and is quite frankly a total pain the arse for the women who have to work for such a man in a more senior position. I expect many of us suffered this in the past.

What do you think he meant by being no saint, bearing in mind the nature of the interview?

Jane10 Sun 02-Sept-18 22:00:36

I respect Granny23's obviously heartfelt post. She clearly shows the distress and concern that so many feel.
As to the outcome - time will tell.

FarNorth Mon 03-Sept-18 01:05:57

I came across this report on the situation. Towards the end, it briefly describes the complaints process. It doesn't seem as if making public the complaints or the investigation results should form any part of the process yet the FM stated that that was the intention of the Permanent Secretary.
www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/1548408/alex-salmond-admits-he-is-no-saint-but-strongly-denies-sexual-harassment-claims/

Jalima1108 Mon 03-Sept-18 12:49:03

Do I trust my own instincts about this man whom I have known for so long, or stick with my preset stance of always supporting the victim of abuse?
I think, Granny23 that all you can do is adopt a 'wait and see' policy.
Some of the nicest, most gentlemanly men have turned out to have feet of clay when it comes to this kind of thing and pick their victims carefully.
Sometimes victims prove to be fabricating stories for revenge or for another reason.

I do hope we get to the truth of the matter.

FarNorth Mon 03-Sept-18 20:37:54

If AS is proved to be guilty, I will be very annoyed with him for creating such a public fuss about his innocence as well as for the original offences.
I hope he is proved to be innocent, however.