Corbyn in trouble

David Milliband works in America

Celebrating Passover with Jewdas was so wrong, he surely knew about them .

Sitting in silence when Ruth Smeeth was verbally abused by a Momentum activist and then to greet the acitvist after the meeting was again so wrong.

To attend a wreath laying ceromony to Palastinian terrotists then say - I don’t think I was involved,

Turned down an invitation to visit the Holocaust Museum in Israel claiming he was too busy,

Again remaining silent when a NEC member ranted about Jews.

None of these can be blamed on anyone but him.

Diana, the Tory party cannot be blamed for things which have been said,

It's interesting that the Miliband brothers are keeping a very low profile in the course of this blood-letting in the Labour Party. I haven't heard anything about them. Have you?

If Corbyn were to win power it is likely to be in cahoots with the SNP so policies will get diluted, after austerity for so long the result will no doubt please many.

When it comes to MI5 Corbyns past is known ( as far as we know ). Nobody has mentioned Michael Foot I'm sure MI5 had a very thick file on him too.

IMHO a lot of this Zionist issue is being perpetuated by the Israel lobby in the Tory party and they are making a pretty good job of it too

paddyann

" Speaking out against the israeli state id NOT anti semitism,neither is supporting the people of Palestine."

At last something we agree on but that is also stated in The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA) is it not?

Speaking out against the israeli state id NOT anti semitism,neither is supporting the people of Palestine.Like most people with any sense we can see that Israel MUST be treated like any other country where the ill treatment of civilians is concerned.We cant let the holocaust colour our decisions ,yes we know what happened and we know the pain still exists BUT Israel cant be allowed to carry on destroying families and lives in the way they have for decades now .I am NOT anti semitic ,the time has come when the State of Israel has to abide by UN resolutions .

I can't understand why people are surprised people in power are spied on. It's being going on since time immemorial. My husband's father had checks run on him every time my husband, as a young student, went on a demonstration. It was a bit of a family joke. And they were small fry in the great scheme of political things.

He resigned because dementia had been diagnosed

No they perform dark deeds. They were actively spying on and monitoring Wilson, arguably they are why he resigned.

If MI5 are involved could be they suspect dark deeds !

Wouldn't be the first time a Labour leader has been an interest for MI5. There was a huge file on Harold Wilson, and an alleged plot to spy on him because the Americans thought he was a Soviet agent. Personally if MI5 are involved in anything I suspect dark deeds.

lemon, that’s a waste of time , he doesn’t care a fig about national security in my opinion, his past alliances speak for themselves.

Diana, I think the very same, the extreme left are in control of the party, I too am centre left , I didn’t want the party to break up but now I wish the moderate left would break away , there are many of them, yet I understand their reluctance, the Labour Party was so like a very large family, yes rows, but with exception of the militants a deep loyalty to the party. God help the country if Corbyn became PM

MI5 want to have Corbyn attend a meeting to impress upon him the importance of national security.
bet they have a fat dossier on him from the past, no wonder they are worried!

The Labour Party has a real problem but it's not Brexit or Zionism or MP loyalty, their real problem is the party members electing the leader.

Members are activists who are always going to elect a left wing candidate who wants radical change and that is not going to be popular with voters in general. My own politics are centre left and could never vote for Corbyn ( it doesn't matter anyhow I live in a safe Tory seat).

Once this Brexit mess is sorted out I'm sure there will be a move for a moderate left wing party to form. Nobody expected Macron to sweep the establishment aside, in due course it will happen here.

So Corbyns best and probably only chance of election is now and who knows it could happen.

OldMeg, I read your post and replied

What you don’t know you are making up....ever heard of Fake News, the preserve of the far right?

Read my post Annie that’s what I’m complaining about ...??

I still do not understand why criticism is being targetted at the Labour Party for considering amendments to the IHRA definition of anti-semitism when an all party select committee enquiring into anti-semitism recommended additional clauses
24. We broadly accept the IHRA definition, but propose two additional clarifications to ensure that freedom of speech is maintained in the context of discourse about Israel and Palestine, without allowing antisemitism to permeate any debate. The definition should include the following statements:
• It is not antisemitic to criticise the Government of Israel, without additional evidence to suggest antisemitic intent.
• It is not antisemitic to hold the Israeli Government to the same standards as other liberal democracies, or to take a particular interest in the Israeli Government’s policies or actions, without additional evidence to suggest antisemitic intent.
25. We recommend that the IHRA definition, with our additional caveats, should be formally adopted by the UK Government, law enforcement agencies and all political parties, to assist them in determining whether or not an incident or discourse can be regarded as antisemitic.
There have also been a number of criticism by lawyers about the wording (including some Jewish ones). It seems odd that the UK government should not adopt the committee's recommendations.

I said whipping up hatred not whipping up support and I didn’t say he was at a pop rally , I said ‘at a pop rally I expect ‘

That’s all surmise Annie and probably not true anyway.

What pop rally please? None I expect.

Since when has whipping up support equates to hatred?

Are you moonlighting as a Daily Mail journalist perhaps?

Never let the truth get on the way of a good story eh?

Where is the saviour of mankind, at a pop rally I expect whipping up hatred in the young, many of whom when they have a job and a family may vote Tory

Anniebach

Apologies

I have just posted re Gordon Brown on SKY News on another thread and now I am catching up with this one.

Never mind if something is worth saying (and it can be said on multiple threads covering the same topic ) I like his words when he said:

" The definition, which has been signed by 31 countries, states that criticism of Israel cannot be regarded as anti-Semitic.

"I’ve read the document and it’s absolutely clear. And people are not telling the truth when they say something else "

The document says specifically in its first paragraph that criticism of Israel is not to be taken as anti-Semitism. It says specifically that you can criticise the government. That you can support the Palestinian cause for a two state solution, but you must never allow the discrimination and prejudice that is part of the definition’s desire to remove"

I like the " And people are not telling the truth when they say something else " part especially. This is the fall back position for those who defend the Labour Party not adopting the internationally recognised definition of anti-Semitism in it's present form.

back to Corbyn.