Should the electorate have the final say on Brexit?

Ginn42
Of course it would be a useless exercise. Those who voted remain on this site are forever reiterating their believe that a referendum is only ever advisory. If this is truly the case then why bother if it’s results should not be acted upon. Or is it the case that a referendum is only valid if it achieves the anticipated outcome Remainers desire?

I wish you were able to paste the link to that poll Grannygravy. The only one I can find with those sorts of figures was in early June. www.deltapoll.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Brext-Trade-180601_FT.pdf

But May is acting upon it. So why shouldn’t another vote go ahead? . If you really believe in the “will of the people “ you should be in favour of as many votes as possible.

Nandalot it was on Twitter today, I am sorry, but I really am a complete technophobe.

crystaltips
Because those who voted remain have always started that acting on the referendum was illegal as it was advisory only. However we went into the Common Market on the basis of a referendum and no one cried foul about that. I don’t really care if there is or isn’t another vote. I just consider it wholly hypocritical and a pervertion of democracy

Because those who voted remain have always started that acting on the referendum was illegal as it was advisory only.

I don't think anyone has said that acting on the referendum was 'illegal', just that it wasn't actually mandatory, as it was only advisory.

However, disclosures of illegality on the part of some Leave campaigns, since the ref (with possibly more still to come), call into question the validity of the result.

I know that every Leave voter on Gnet will put their hands on their hearts and swear blind that absolutely nothing at all influenced their vote to leave (^really? did they not hear, see or read anything at all before the referendum and so kept themselves utterly uncontaminated by all the stuff that was being churned out^?) but we do have to keep reminding ourselves that there is a world beyond Gnet in which people were influenced by Leave propaganda and, who knows, by the specifically targetted 'dark' facebook adverts which only people likely to be influenced by them actually saw.

I fail to understand why allowing another vote when you actually have an idea of what you’re voting for is “undemocratic.” I am against referendums per se but since we’ve had one without the information of what a final deal might look like which was a mistake , then we should have one when the information is on the table.

MaizieD
Surely your contention that Leave voters were 'contaminated' by misinformation before the referendum should be equally if not more forcefully applied to the Remain voters. Many of the prophets of doom have been discredited, (thinking of Barak Obama's 'Back of the queue' for one). So many people are now living with stress and anxiety (as evident with some on here) based upon this misinformation and great globs of supposition which continues to this day.

Joel we didn’t go into the Common Market on the basis of a referendum, we were already in it and the referendum was about if we wanted to stay in

Well the prophets of doom may still be right as we haven’t left yet and will surely be weakened if we leave without a deal.

Sam Gyimah, the latest minister to resign from Theresa May's cabinet tells Radio 4 'we have given up our voice, our veto and our vote'"

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/royalwedding2018/sam-gyimah-tells-radio-4-we-have-given-up-our-voice-our-veto-and-our-vote/vp-BBQkGkL

So much for the slogan "take back control". If brexit were to go ahead we would have given up control - in addition to it costing us a fortune and making our country infinitely weaker. Time to bin brexit before its too late.

Pity this 60 second video www.facebook.com/scientistsforeu/videos/304487707072288/ couldn't have been distributed before the Brexit vote. Short, factual and to the point. Who lnows what the result might have been?.

Or this video from Stephen Fry

m.youtube.com/watch?v=UYonSZ8s3_o

Dyffryn
Bit late with that video. It was posted some days ago.
BTW, did you read the comments. The vast majority slated it

The vast majority slated it

Just confirming the stereotype of the Brexit voter, really. Not very bright with an aversion to facts. (Gnetters excepted, of course)

Everyone knows Brexit is going down the pan from all sides of the argument.

Totally agree that the Brexit that TM is trying to get through is going/gone down the pan but there's still leaving without a deal.

Leaving without ideal would mean the economy is well and truly down the pan.

without a deal is not ideal!

but there's still leaving without a deal.

petra, would you be very kind and explain, in some detail, just what you think leaving without a deal would entail?

It means taking back control, silly you..no need for minor details other than that......

The Independent has handed in a petition carrying more than one million names to Downing Street, demanding the British public be given a final say on the outcome of Brexit.

A group representing The Independent’s Final Say campaign handed over the petition, along with another one including more than 337,000 names collected by the People’s Vote initiative, as Theresa May prepared for what is set to be a bruising five-day Commons debate on her Brexit deal.

Pressure for a new referendum is increasing ahead of the vote that will come at the end of that debate next week, with the prime minister looking at a heavy personal defeat if MPs reject the deal she agreed with the EU.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/final-say-petition-brexit-referendum-peoples-vote-eu-theresa-may-downing-street-a8664981.html

Polling commissioned by Avaaz shows that Britain overwhelmingly rejects Theresa May’s Brexit deal, and wants MPs to vote it down in Parliament!

63% of people with a view say they don’t want the deal if it makes us poorer, as the government says it will. And 70% want MPs to vote it down if they don’t feel it’s in our interest!

Results of Avaaz commissioned poll with ICM:
avaazimages.avaaz.org/Avaaz-ICM-Brexit-Withdrawal-Agreement-Polling-Data-Tables-EXP1.pdf

PM's own Brexit adviser admits deal is 'uncomfortable' (Sky News)
news.sky.com/story/live-pm-at-least-90-votes-short-of-brexit-deal-support-11570544

Brexit: Gove warns of referendum if MPs don't back PM's deal (BBC)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46416591

UK PM May says she's focused on her Brexit deal, not a plan B (Reuters)
www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-may/uk-pm-may-says-shes-focused-on-her-brexit-deal-not...

Brexit deal 'will cost UK £100bn' a year by 2030 (BBC)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46338585

Did you see tonight's "Real Brexit Debate" on Channel 4?

Caroline Lucas was brilliant; the Welsh lady in the audience pretty much summed up how I feel about Labour ..