May in trouble

No party has ever done that annie, which makes me wonder why the brexit voters keep bleating on about 'the people have spoken' etc. The people speak every blinking election but they don't get what they have voted for. How many people on GN voted Tory when Cameron pledged that nobody would every pay more than £35k for their elderly care? What happened to that? So why, when Brexit is not bringing the unicorns and fairy dust and free hip replacements for all that was promised, why is that sacred, why can't that be thrown back? With a broken manifesto promise, the electorate can show their displeasure, can elect a new government every 5 years. With this Brexit nonsense, like nuclear power, we are leaving the bloody mess for future generations to deal with. I cannot express ( although I do try), just how exasperated I am by this lifetime and beyond decision being made based on lies, obfuscation and false promises, and being chosen by people who will, in the main, not have to live through the catastrophic consequences.

With the open riffs in the Tory Cabinet things are certainly not going to get any better GillT57.

The chancellor is in open warfare with many others in the government and leading Tory backbenchers.

So much for "strong and stable government.

The longstanding Labour Party members on the forum must be " over the moon " at the state of the Tory party.

Trouble is, Grandad the Labour Party isn't in a much better state than the tories.

MaizieD Quote [Trouble is, Grandad the Labour Party isn't in a much better state than the tories.] End quote.

I could not agree more MaizieD, but there are on this forum members who by their posts would have us believe that all the problems are in the Labour Party

Even those who state they are long standing members or supporters of Labour seem reluctant to bring forward criticism of the Tory Party.

Strange that.

Grandad

Sigh.

How many more times ?

As a Labour Party member , how hypocritical for me to criticise another party when the party I chose to join is in turmoil

Even those who state they are long standing members or supporters of Labour seem reluctant to bring forward criticism of the Tory Party.

Actually, I don't find it strange at all Grandad but perhaps I have a logical mind.
If someone is a longstanding member of a party - and that affiliation goes back generations too - then, when they see their beloved party in such disarray they are alarmed, upset and disappointed because they think they will never see a Labour Government again.

They probably don't care enough about the Tory Party to bother criticising it.

I know my DF would be feeling the same - and I know members of my family feel this way too (could never vote other than Labour but find themselves in a quandary now).

POGS, Anniebach, Jalima1108, I can understand those Labour supporters who find the present problems of their party "distressing". Therefore I feel that in pointing out the current issues of the Tory party perhaps brings some better balance and perspective into their political judgment.

For we can all remember TM on the steps of Downing Street at the start of her premiership promising "strong and stable government". Now, what happened to that.

However, I would have thought Labour members and supporters would have loved to have "tucked into that one", whatever the problems of their own party just as I have done.

Ignore the sighs Grandad you make some very valid, sensible, contributions to the debate.

Many thanks OldMeg.

Grandad

" POGS, Anniebach, Jalima1108, I can understand those Labour supporters who find the present problems of their party "distressing". Therefore I feel that in pointing out the current issues of the Tory party perhaps brings some better balance and perspective into their political judgment. smile "

Grandad I have no issue with your pointing out the current issues of the Tory Party. Why would I?

I have no issue with balance being brought to any thread.

But the repetitive attack that is aimed at a particular poster on ' so many threads ' is neither discussing Labour or Tories with any gravitas nor is it remotely balanced. It is getting quite shameful .

POGS I have not made an attack on "any particular poster". In fact, I very rarely name any forum members in my posts of recent times with the exception of the one today when I wished to address the posts of three members in one reply.

Perhaps after being on the forum for several months now I am somewhat wiser to its vulnerabilities and pitfalls for the male species.

Point away grandad1943, my political judgement has only failed me once , I voted for Corbyn in the leadership contest ,wrong decision, still cringe at being taken in by such a hypocrite

Therefore I feel that in pointing out the current issues of the Tory party perhaps brings some better balance and perspective into their political judgment.
Please do, Grandad, please do.

But I didn't vote for them (I didn't vote Labour either for that matter).

Apologies Jalima1108 on reading another thread that I have deliberately refrained from posting on, I now realise the political position you take in regard to the Labour party which I respect. Again apologies for including you in an earlier post.

anniebach, I have no idea what you mean by your "point away" remark in your above post. I have not engaged in a thread which you seem to believe was opened in regard to you and your "sole activitity" on this forum.

Therefore I have not directly addressed or "pointed" to you for a considerable period of time.

“Therefore I feel in pointing out the current issues of the Tory party etc”

grandad1943, who were you pointing to?

Thank you for admitting you had pointed to me in the past.

Anniebach, make of my post what you will. Looks like you are attempting to start some kind of argument that I will not engage in.

Anyway, I am on a train which is just about to arrive into Bristol Temple Meads where I have to change for North Somerset.

So, I will allow you to return to your usual "critique".

Grandad 1943

" Therefore I feel that in pointing out the current issues of the Tory party perhaps brings some better balance and perspective into their political judgment.

How kind of you to bring some balance and perspective into other GN posters political judgement.

However , with your permission, I think most of us are capable of viewing when somebody is being balanced and certainly capable of making our own political judgement.

Oops nearly forgot

grandad, you will ALLOW me ? I don’t recall asking your permission to do or say anything.

Apologies Jalima1108 on reading another thread that I have deliberately refrained from posting on, I now realise the political position you take in regard to the Labour party which I respect.
I don't think I differ (*at present*) from others on here, though, who may have been included in your earlier post Grandad.
Although I have been known to float from time to time.

'Chequers plan is dead,' says MP, who reported rejection by Barnier

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/sep/05/chequers-plan-is-dead-says-mp-who-reported-rejection-by-barnier

I was amused by one of the panellists on 'Mock the Week' : she said that if the current government was a family they'd have had a social worker appointed to them by now!

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