Call off the dogs Corbyn

I have been a member of a trade union since 1966 in what was formally the great Transport & General Workers Union which is now Unite. I remain a full subscription member in appreciation of what their education sector did for me during the nineteen seventies and again in the nineteen eighties.

Throughout all those years one of the messages that is continuously put forward by the union to its members is should any member have a grievance or feel a change of policy is required then that member should take that matter up within the constitutional structures of the organisation.

Trade unions have very few friends in the media, therefore, there are extensive structures that facilitate the above from workplace reps, Branch structures and organisers, district and regional committees and organisers all available for member input. Those committees are made up of lay members who direct what the various national, regional, district and branch secretaries carry out within the majority agreed rules and policies of the organisation.

Being part of the broader Labour movement the Labour Party has similar structures to the above, those being local, district and constituency parties that again are all lay member organised. Again, any member can take any matter to those bodies and have it discussed at their regular meetings. Trade union members are invited to attend as affiliate members which I did as an elected safety rep at my place of work in the nineteen eighties.

Therefore there is no need for any member to take any matter outside the labour movement as should a majority support what a member raises within any of those structures, then that matter can be taken to the next level be that district regional or national.

Of course, there are now within the Labour party old Blairite MPs and lay members such as anniebach that know the party has undergone fundamental democratic policy change by way of the above structures. However those Blairites do not accept that they are now a minority, so whine and moan to the right wing media in an effort to misrepresent the fact that they and their Blairite views no longer hold majority support within any sector of the Labour movement.

In the above, those persons are totally despised by the whole Labour movement, as they rightly should be.

Curioser and curiouser!

Tom Watson is not giving the deputy leader speech at the conference this year , he is to address a fringe meeting instead. Everything sealed up!

Didn’t think of that lemon ?

But it is strange , talk there may be an election soon and not a sight of him, not a sound .

MacDonald is everywhere. No doubt MacDonald is by far the better speaker , he wanted to stand for the leadership some years ago but couldn’t get enough support. I think he is preparing

It’s a busy time in the allotment Annie all those runner beans to harvest.

something going on in Labour HQ. Where is Corbyn?

Chuka Umunnah speaks of call the dogs off and John McDonald is on all tv news channels and radio .

Today John McDonald address a crowd in London, later John MacDonald on tv news discussing brexit ,

No interviews with Corbyn for some time .

Something is afoot.

Good heartfelt post Iam

Grandad you are deluded.Corbyn did not gain ‘evermore respect’.....from anyone.
He was lucky to have defied the whip hundreds and hundreds of times and to have lived through tolerant times within the LP.
What Labour MP could do tbe same today under his own leadership ( or lack of!)

Ok so we now have the official Grandad position on those who don't see the changes in the LP as entirely positive. Stop whinging or get out. Very clear and to me, totally unacceptable. If we can't debate where are we, in some kind of totalitarian state maybe. Yes, I accept that's an extreme response but its an extreme response to an extreme position.

I'm assuming Corbyn's many rebellions against his party leader weren't given much media coverage because he wasn't seen as being particularly significant. That can't be said of either Margaret Hodge or Frank Field can it.

I was active in my trade union in the late 70's and throughout the 80's. I opposed Thatcher and all she stood for. That didn't stop me wanting to take my politics to a different environment than the male dominated, our way or the highway approach taken by my union. I stayed in , paid my dues, because the union was indeed negotiating for the many, not the few. I campaigned on women's issues, worked with other feminists because none of us were easy with the approach, or the fact we were assumed to want to do the brews and organise/run the creche. The creche of course was something we'd campaigned long and hard for and was it unreasonable to expect it would be a joint responsibility?
I digress but my point remains. I don't appreciate what I feel to be a return to one dimensional views.

You now speak for the party? Your talents are amazing, checking sewage this morning, spokesperson for the Corbyn/Momentum Party this afternoon, I assume you have now become a member ?

Corbin managed because he did not keep whining to the UK's right-wing press. Yes, Jeremy Corbyn voted against the whips many times, but it was not reported widely because he did his fighting within the party and therefore gradually gained evermore respect

That's something that Field, Hodge and others fail to understand and why they get zero respect from within the party now.

Corbyn managed because the party was tolerant, no Momentum bullies , it was The Labour Party, now the trots are back and we have the Corbyn/Momentum party.

It is their organisation and the party they pay to upkeep for better or for worse.
Those within the party who do not accept that fact should either stop whining and shut up or preferably get out.

Well there we have it in black and white from one who knows

No queries, no dissensions, no rebelling, no voting against the whip. Put up and shut up, do not voice an opinion.
How did the rebellious Corbyn manage to survive all those years?
Must have been a kinder sort of politics then.

For newbies. The Foot era didn’t end in 1983, Corbyn and Co kept it going, still are

Niggly, it’s known as Momentum speak, newbie footsises are prone to it

As always a delightful diplomatic reply from you Grandad!!

The Michael Foot era was over 30 years ago. This is 2018 and I respect the majority democratic views of the "genuine" members of the Labour Party.

It is their organisation and the party they pay to upkeep for better or for worse.

Therefore everyone should respect that they have a right to put their policies and leadership to the nation at any forthcoming election.

Those within the party who do not accept that fact should either stop whining and shut up or preferably get out.

Seems Blairites must make way for Footites .

Choice is easy, 1983 election or 1997 election.

Like Brexit! That's democracy too !!

Frank Field, Margret Hodge along with others are old Blairites who cannot accept that the Labour party has changed and returned to the policies that were the core of its foundation. Perhaps if those old Blairites who are still MPs paid more attention to those changed views and thinking within their constituency parties they would not be deselected.

The present leader of the Labour party has been democratically elected by an overwhelming majority of the current Labour movement members. The prevailing party policies have been democratically brought forward by the various elected Constitutional bodies within that same movement.

Those that cannot accept the above should have the good grace to stand aside or expect that they will be treated with disdain within the Labour Movement for not accepting the democracy of the party.

Those MPs who still wish to claim their salaries while not being prepared to represent the current leadership and policies must expect to be called to account by their constituency parties and deselected by those bodies for the above reasons.

That's democracy; tough ain't it.

MacDonald out making speeches again today, he is very much the front guy, where is the great one ?

trisher, you decide the principles of others ? I can agree or disagree with people’s principles, no way do I think I have any right to choose principles for others to hold.

Very my way or no way. Very communist approach in my opinion.

Frank Field is a very admirable individual.

‘Thank goodness for the young’
Ah well, at least you gave me a laugh today trisher

First principle -If there is a chance you can defeat the sitting gov you vote with your party (If you can produce any evidence that one of JCs 428 votes was crucial to a defeat I would cerainly condemn that as well)
Second principle- on matters of conscience such as war, weapons sale, abortion legislation etc you vote with your conscience
Simples!

He voted as he did because of his beliefs, should he have lied? Corvyn voted 428 times against the whip and you support this trisher, your list of principles seems shallow