Serena’s “meltdown “

Maw
It speaks volumes about the standards at HQ that they let that foul rant stand and you get sent to the naughty step.

Maw you are never aggressive x

Don’t find you aggressive at all Maw, the powers that be are wrong.

No need to fear, Iam64 or to be condescending .... I know exactly what racism is, thank you very much, as I have plenty of family experience.

Sparkelfizz - I fear you miss the point about racism.

I think I may be giving all this verbal ping pong a rest as it appears that my post of 16.22 has been deemed “aggressive” by the powers that be.

Do I need to reiterate that it was in reply to this meek, mild, diplomatic and polite request ?

maryeliza54 Thu 13-Sep-18 15:20:46
Damn well won’t Maw stop bring so fucking patronising

Are you always this rude and argumentative Maryeliza with people who hold a different view from you ?

That would be a yes, NanKate.

Regarding caricatures, may I just mildly point out that no one complains when Teresa May is caricatured with an enormous pointed hook nose, which is actually very personal, or when Boris is shown as in a paper recently wearing a nappy.

annie Just google Serena Williams cartoon and it will come up.

If we are going to judge the cartoon, at least let's get it right.

MawBroon Yes, you've got a point! I wasn't offended, but Gransnet is so much better than Mumsnet, as it seems every other word on that site is f or c .

Having said that I am not little miss goody two shoes. I ,like most people, let rip with the odd mild swear word when provoked.

Her opponent (who is actually bi-racial) is drawn as a blonde haired woman asking the umpire to let Serena win, demonstrating that as an (attractive) white woman, she is the superior one in this relationship.

Actually craicon, it's the umpire in the cartoon who is asking the blonde player to let Serena win, thus not demonstrating at all that she is" the superior one in the relationship."

May I add that the “f” word would not normally feature in my vocabulary, certainly not on GN so I apologise unreservedly to anybody I have offended by using it, apart from MaryEliza who is a) unlikely to be offended and b) sat up and asked for it

The colour of Naomi Osaka in the cartoon is not white. The umpire is depicted as white.
The reason Naomi Osaka is depicted with a blond pony tail is because she often has highlights in her hair, as she had on the day of this match.

Well I for one really hope that the f word doesn't become acceptable on here . We are mature women who can, surely, express ourselves without resorting to obscenities.

Some still seem to be missing the point about how cartoon caricatures inevitably exaggerate physical characteristics, and as Serena Williams is a black African then that is how she is depicted.

If it had been, for example Maria Sharapova who had thrown a similar tantrum, then a cartoon of her would show her with exaggerated white, blonde haired European features, wouldn't it?

Would there have been howls of outrage and accusations of 'racism' in that instance?

No, of course not, because it's always one sided isn't it.

To answer your question NanKate - yes I think she is.

Anyone please, a link to this cartoon

Are you always this rude and argumentative Maryeliza with people who hold a different view from you ?

I thought we were all welcome on GN to say what we think even if it differs from others' views, but feel safe that we won't be verbally abused or sworn at.

I might add don’t be so fucking presumptuous (as that adjective seems to be entirely acceptable)

How useful that you know what I think MatyEliza must come in useful at parties.

I haven’t seen the cartoon

And Maw you’re another one who clearly must think the depiction of NO is perfectly OK? The’victim’ as an all -American girl with the blond ponytail?

Are you being deliberately obtuse Maw or do you not really understand anything about the Jim Crow era and its legacy of stereotypical negative representations of black people?

Not an apologia for the cartoon, but reread your words

the position of a dummy in the cartoon draws on dangerous stereotypes by reducing a successful black sportswoman to an angry, petulant child

Black, white or sky blue pink, it is just that - the successful sportswoman reduced to an angry petulant child is precisely the image Williams has left us with.
I still think she has done women in sport, of whatever colour, no favours whatsoever.

Well said Craicon

Damn well won’t Maw stop bring so fucking patronising