Is this the beginning of the end for Brexit?

Hurrah for that Varian.

Except they won’t revoke it, it woukd be political suicide for either party to do so.

I think they're both committing political suicide at the very moment, lemon. And if, by some miracle, May gets her Withdrawal deal through parliament, the tories are dead anyway because everyone (apart from you) hates it.

If we're going to have political chaos and a shakeup of our 'system' (which we desperately need) I'd rather we did it within the EU as we'd then, at least, be on a sounder economic footing.

So,* bring on revocation...*

MPs back amendment to ensure meaningful vote on 'plan B' Brexit deal

www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/dec/04/brexit-debate-contempt-parliament-mps-ecj-theresa-may-prepares-to-open-historic-debate-as-ecj-opinion-encourages-anti-brexit-campaigners-politics-live

Do I see the tiniest light at the end of this appalling tunnel of stupidity and cussedness? Some MPs actually showing a bit of integrity instead of self-interest and pontificating?

Let's hope so mcem

Nope, very little integrity going on in Parliament, but plenty of self interest.
Corbyn and team doing all they can to get an election, Remainers from all sides trying to forget that they gave the go-ahead to the referendum, and then gave the go-ahead to triggering article 50, some Leavers who want a hard Brexit only and won’t consider any compromise.....what a shower.
MaizieD I doubt very much that I am the only person in the UK who thinks that this deal should be accepted.
If MP’s don’t accept it, then we are one step nearer to leaving without a deal.

Or one step nearer to abandoning this ridiculous attempt to "take back control"!!

If MP’s don’t accept it, then we are one step nearer to leaving without a deal.

Not if our sovereign Parliament has anything to do with it. They are determined to remove the 'no deal' option completely. Thank heavens the interests of the country are their foremost concern.

And that they've remembered that it is Parliament that is sovereign, not the government.

Well we are in political meltdown now, though all the leavers claimed it would be the EU that would meltdown and we would be in clover. The government have spent 2 years wasting time with no preparation, the opposition are next to useless and the Tory backstabbers are out in force. The country are divided, another referendum would make that division worse, where do we go from now? Maybe we should do a Belgium and do without a government ( didn’t they have no government for about 2 years recently and no one noticed?)

At some stage in any deal, negotiations come to an end, the EU leaders have ratified this deal, if it is rejected, are they going to go back and change it. Probably not, they will say no, because any new deal is likely to be rejected by parliament as well.

The Tories will go for a plan B and play for time, then they will all go home for Christmas. In the New Year there will be a vote of no confidence, will there be a GE?, maybe but not until mid February at least. Then even if JC wins it is highly likely that the SNP will hold the balance of power in parliament.

A second vote???. Would it give a different result???. It might make it worse and make no deal inevitable MPs would not welcome that

Maybe just maybe parliament will vote to stop Brexit, because I don't think there is an apetite for no deal. And TM stays

You’re not the only person Lemon. (I don’t know why I clicked on this thread, I’d stopped looking a while back when it turned into another one of Varian’s rants)

Of course lemongrove isn't the only one to support the Tories.

They are our government with millions of us behind them.

That doesn't mean that I like what is happening within the party at the moment - does anybody?

The real danger of course is that all this in-fighting could well lead us to the worst possible scenario - Corbyn in power. That would be far worse for the country than any deal Theresa May comes up with.

I am not and never have been a Tory supporter but I fear a Corbyn government

I think a lot of Labour supporters feel the same Anniebach

JenniferEccles. With Corbyn as leader the backbenchers have the choice of agreeing with everything he says or being forced out of parliament, his front Bench are nodding puppets

My DS summed it up, like many of his generation he cannot and will not vote Tory, the party of deliberate, spiteful austerity and the ensuing cuts to education, NHS, mental health services and all such, but he cannot vote for the weak, wishy washy Corbyn either with his pathetic empty statements about taking over EU departure negotiations and 'getting a better deal'. We all know that is not and cannot be the case. Basically, a huge majority of this country are unrepresented and it stinks.

GillT57, I agree with you. My children say the same thing, no party deserve their vote. But if we can just manage to get out of the EU we are apparently "on course for a brighter future". For whom, one wonders.

The Conservatives will not want to topple Theresa May as nobody wants to be the PM whilst Brexit is in this State of disarray.

If anyone thinks Jeremy Corbyn and his “followers” could do better at the negotiating table, I have no words.

We have lost over 2 years to Brexit negotiations with nothing much being done for the UK in general (NHS, Services etc)

A brighter future for all the speculators and money launderers methinks.

GrannyGravy
"If anyone thinks Jeremy Corbyn and his “followers” could do better at the negotiating table, I have no words."
I sometimes think the reason why Corbyn tends to keep quiet about Brexit is because doesn't want to take on that part of the job.

Spot on Fennel

Corbyn has only had to stand back and let May flounder into the current crisis. A proper opposition could have made mincemeat of her by now but he’s letting her own backbenchers do his job. Sigh.

Dominic Grieve has done more for this country than Corbyn ever could.

From today’s Daily Telegraph, the final paragraph in an article by Nick Timothy

Whether we end up with Norway, a referendum that takes us back into the EU, or even the PM’s deal, Brexit, in any meaningful sense, is over. Brussels has screwed Britain, Remainers have screwed the Prime Minister, and the Prime Minister has screwed the Leavers. And the result is the establishment has screwed the public, who voted in record numbers to leave the European Union. A choice between Brexit in name only and no Brexit is no choice at all

Who of any of us can say what is going to happen now? .