The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

Anniebach, I have never referred to the Aberfan disaster as "an event". As I have stated before if you have evidence that I have please bring it forward so all can see.

I also find it disgusting that you keep raising the Aberfan disaster to try to make political points in any number of discussions of recent. In that you besmirch the memory of those children that you constantly proclaim you hold so dear.

Makes one wonder?

The ‘workers’ vote in the polling booth do they not?

And why is union membership dropping ?

The ‘workers’ vote in the polling booth do they not?

For parties run by their 'betters'?

Anniebach union membership has dropped because of the Gig Economy in the main. That system which you refuse to condemn makes it virtually impossible for them to recruit in that sector.

However, they are still nearly seven million strong despite all the legislation that has been thrown against them by successive Tory governments.

It should also be remembered, no trades unions, no Labour party. However, as a closet Tory anniebach, I would imagine you would not be to upset about that in reality.

Really? I was brought up to know ‘ I am better than no man and no man is better than me ‘

I doubt that anyone ( apart from on GN ) says ‘betters’ these days.

Some closet Tory posts on this forum get more and more bizarre.

How sad to think one has ‘betters’

How sad to think one has ‘betters’

Oh don't be daft, Annie. I don't think that at all and you ought to have gathered that from what I post.

It's very sad that a Labour supporter doesn't think that people who work for companies, businesses etc are fit to share in the government of their country.

Maizie, you referred to ‘betters’. The voter has a vote , if they wish to be part of a government they can do so as an MP .

Do you know, Annie, I think you could start an argument in an empty room containing no-one but yourself.

All the way through this you've just picked out random words and made a fuss about them, completely ignoring what the poster is actually saying.

Many in the trades unions did become politicians in years past. The most famous of which was Ernest Bevan who was a docker at the port of Bristol. He stood for election as an MP and went on to become Minister of Labour in the National Government of WW2 and then the same position in the Atlee 1945 Government.

There were many similar to him until Blair created the "career politician" in the Labour party and that great wealth of life experience people in politics was lost from the House of Commons.

I would have thought as a long standing member of the Labour party you would have known of all the above anniebach.

Makes one wonder?

MaizieD some people live in a world of myth and that being totally in the past.

Annie 'The voter has a vote , if they wish to be part of a government they can do so as an MP .'

now that is a contradiction for sure. I did think that the UK was a Parliamentary Democracy!?! Where we elect MPs to make the decisions on our behalf.

^ He stood for election as an MP and went on to become Minister of Labour in the National Government of WW2^
He decided that one in ten young men conscripted should be sent down the coal mines - the Bevin Boys. They were selected by pulling numbers from a hat.
The scheme went on until 1948 and those forced to work down the mines were not well treated afterwards as they were not entitled to return to their jobs.

So much for standing up for workers' rights.

paddyann

" There are too many "labour" party members who are still Blairites "

Not if the Corbyn/Jeremy for Leader/Momentum party get their way and they sure as hell are making their feelings known .

It is repeatedly said by many posters Blair and Brown were not true socialists.

Therefore , presumably Corbyn/McDonnell and their inner circle are thought to be 'True Socialists' . Mind you I get confused what a ' True Socialist ' is/means if that excludes believing in ' overthrowing Capitalism' as some would have us believe is not where Corbyn/MsDonnell et al are coming from by their own volition.

Can anybody name a ' True Socialist ' country that has 'overthrown Capitalism' and has been successful with it's economy and it's people? I struggle to think of one.

Quote: Grandad
Many in the trades unions did become politicians in years past. The most famous of which was Ernest Bevan who was a docker at the port of Bristol
You might at least accord him the courtesy of getting the name right
Ernest Bevin
Aneurin Bevan
Got it?
.

I struggle to think of one too POGS
Most Labour voters were happy enough to accept Blair and Brown at the time, it’s become fashionable to diss them now that the LP has been taken over by extremists.

Mawbroon, you might at least get your facts right as there were TWO Labour politicians, Ernest Bevin and
Aneurin Bevan.

Anyway I am off to work, see you later

Lemongrove It is not a fashion to look back at a politicians actions and to be disappointed that they did not fulfil their promises or even behave in a way contrary to the majority view of those that elected them I am not a "blind supporter" of any politician. I was very hopeful when Blair was elected that there would be positive change. It did not work out the way I would have liked. In the same way that many May voters may be feeling disillusioned with the reality compared to what they thought they were getting!

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Mawbroon, ^you might at least get your facts right as there were TWO Labour politicians, Ernest Bevin and
Aneurin Bevan^

That was my point Grandad

What is yours?
Other than conflating them

POGS and which Tory politician would you name as improving the lot of all the people! None are perfect, we are all flawed. I just want politicians to genuinely try to fulfil the promises they make and to be honest public servants. Not enough anywhere at the moment