The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

The problem with your question, POGS is that everyone is working from a different definition of 'socialist'.

I seem to remember that we (i.e posters on this forum) had a discussion about this some time ago and I don't think we ever reached a consensus.

PECS

Your reply to my question, which is can't answer so deflect , is not an answer is it?

I take it the question has not produced any train of thought in your mind that can name a country that is 'True Socialist' (as some posters call it) that has ' overthrown Capitalism' and has been successful with it's economy and it's people?

I think China is probably good with it's economy but not for the people. China could be said to be starting to embrace the idea of Capitalism ' a tad ' but of course those at the top will have a totally different lifestyle to those at the bottom , that happens whether it be Communist/ True Socialist /Dictatorship or a Capitalist governance .

Personally I would rather be in a Democratic Capitalist Society than a Communist /True Socialist Society (no idea what the perceived difference is) . The feted /lionized Leaders such as Marx/Lenin/Che Guevara/Moduro/Hugo Cavez /Putin to name but a few are not Leaders I would like to live under the control of.

Obviously if a person states their admiration for those mentioned , even known to fully embrace their politics and tell us we should follow suit with our government then I for one am happy to say no thank you. John McDonnell is potentially the next Chancellor of the Exchequer and that scares me far more than Capitalism .

I'm not trying to deflect, POGS, just stating the obvious.

You have answered your own question by your definition of 'true socialism' but the posters who used the phrase might well have a different definition in mind.

(Anyway, as I've never talked about 'true socialism' I don't feel in any way bound to answer your question)

Grandad

"Mawbroon, you might at least get your facts right"

Um, I think MawBroon did.

#MeToo

And me ?

I don't think that Nye Bevan would stand much of a chance with Gnetters were he alive today...

He was a bit left-wing...

www.nyebevan.org.uk/about-nye/

I love his opinion of Tories

What is Toryism but organised spivvery? … No amount of cajolery can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party … So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin.
And for those "Middle of the road"
We know what happens to people who stay in the middle of the road. They get run down.

Oo-er. GNetters will be horrified!

I think MawBroon did get her facts right Grandad - I did try to correct your spelling of Ernest Bevin's name in my post in a subtle way, but perhaps you were using your voice recognition (one of the downfalls I presume).

Bevan makes Corbyn seem quite mild and middle of the road!

I grew up with Aneurin Bevan
(well, not literally but he was always a topic of conversation around our kitchen table)

Maizie d

" I'm not trying to deflect, POGS, just stating the obvious. "

Is your name PECS?
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" You have answered your own question by your definition of 'true socialism' but the posters who used the phrase might well have a different definition in mind. "
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I think some have pointed very strongly to what their opinion of 'True Socialism' is in their opinion but I agree defining what others believe is difficult to pin down but I do not think John McDonnell and Corbyn and his Inner Circle are remotely being unclear as to where they stand.

I am reminded of questions you have asked such as :-

"So which definition of 'democracy' are some people on here not accepting, Annie?
It's not fair to make a statement like that and then not tell us exactly what definition you're using."
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" You don't seem too concerned about the swing to the right bringing in a fascist government, though Annie?"
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So I agree defining another's perception of what is 'True Socialism/Far Left/Communism/ Far Right/ Democracy is difficult to define but there are some who are blunt in their opinion .

By the way as for :-

"Anyway, as I've never talked about 'true socialism' I don't feel in any way bound to answer your question)"

I wasn't 'binding' you to answer my question. You simply could have done as others will do ignore the question.

The Labour Party is was a broad church POGS

So they say!

I wasn't 'binding' you to answer my question. You simply could have done as others will do ignore the question.

Well, true, POGS. Forgive me for deflecting from your purpose.

MaizieD - I don't think that Nye Bevan would stand much of a chance with Gnetters were he alive today. He was a bit left-wing

How typically, sneeringly, patronising of the left.

Pathetic.

Only they care. What a joke. You have been rumbled. Your arrogance speaks volumes.

Can anybody name a ' True Socialist' country that has overthrown Capitalism' and has been successful with it's economy and it's people? I struggle to think of one

Excellent question POGS

The silence from Corbynista left wingers on here is deafening.....

Day 6 Read the quotes. Nye knew, you are either 'vermin" or "road kill" Why should anyone acknowledge you care?
Us left-wingers have rumbled you.

You were brought up in a socialist country POGS and Day6 Until the 80s we had socialist beliefs underpinning all government. Since then succesive governments have undermined the system that enabled you to survive.

Is this the period you mean trisher?
(With apologies for the cut and paste)

The Conservatives returned to power in 1951, accepting most of Labour's postwar reforms, but introduced prescription charges to the NHS in 1952 and denationalized steel in 1953. They presided over 13 years of economic recovery and stability. However the Suez Crisis of 1956 demonstrated Britain was no longer a superpower. Ghana, Malaya, Nigeria and Kenya were granted independence during this period. Labour returned to power under Harold Wilson in 1964 and oversaw a series of social reforms including the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality and abortion, the relaxing of divorce laws and the end of capital punishment. Edward Heath returned the Conservatives to power from 1970 to 1974, and oversaw the decimalisation of British currency, the accession of Britain to the European Economic Community, and the height of the Troubles in Northern Ireland. In the wake of the 1973 oil crisis and a miner's strike, Heath introduced the three-day working week to conserve power

trisher

"Day 6 Read the quotes. Nye knew, you are either 'vermin" or "road kill" Why should anyone acknowledge you care?
Us left-wingers have rumbled you."
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Are you calling people who do not agree with you ' Vermin' 'Road Kill' by using somebody else's quote?

Or am I misreading your post?

trisher

" You were brought up in a socialist country POGS and Day6 "

Ah but it was it ever a ' True Socialist ' country as some would have us be.

Us left-wingers have rumbled you
“We” trisher, not “us”
Just saying.

I have a sweet photograph of me being nursed by Jennie Lee- Mrs Aneurin Bevan ?

We socialists do not accept communism