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The Nasty Labour Party - what they really stand for.

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Day6 Fri 28-Sept-18 21:36:21

Rod Liddle took Labour to the cleaners on Question Time. I fully agree with his assessment.

“I really wish that the people who were taken in by [Labour] and agreed with that, would look to the left beyond the podium and see the rabble with their Palestinian flags and their lanyards sponsored by Hamas, would look to the raft of hypocrites on the Labour front bench. Thornberry, Abbott, Chakrabarti – all of whom don’t want you to send your kids to private schools or selective schools but do so for their kids, and for Corbyn and McDonnell, who have given support and succour to every possible hostile, violent, anti-democratic terrorist regime or organisation they can. IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah, Soviet Union, Cuba, Venezuela.

If you want people like that running your country, vote for Corbyn.”

humptydumpty Fri 05-Oct-18 12:05:06

FWIW my understanding is that Cuba has an outstanding health service for a poor country:

"The Cuban healthcare system, borne out of its revolutionary socialist ideology, regards accessibility to healthcare as a fundamental right of its citizens. It focuses heavily on a preventative approach to medicine and offering the simplest check-up to the most complex surgery, free of charge. Dental care, medicines and even home visits from doctors are all covered by the system.

The island has the health statistics to support this seemingly impeccable system. An infant mortality rate of 4.2 per thousand births (compared with a rate of 3.5 per thousand births in the UK in 2015), life expectancy of 77 years for men and 81 years for women (on par with the UK’s life expectancy of 79 years for men and 83 years for women), and a doctor to patient ratio of one per 150, which surpasses many developed nations (UK ratio from the latest World Bank data is 2.8 doctors per 1,000 patients). It is no surprise therefore, that the secretary general of the United Nations, Ban Ki-moon, during a visit to Cuba hailed its healthcare service as, “a model for many countries”."

trisher Fri 05-Oct-18 12:14:44

MawBroon Shall we have the whole thing?
When Britain emerged victorious from the Second World War, the Labour Party under Clement Attlee came to power and created a comprehensive welfare state, with the establishment of the National Health Service giving free healthcare to all British citizens, and other reforms to benefits. The Bank of England, railways, heavy industry, and coal mining were all nationalised. The most controversial issue was nationalisation of steel, which was profitable unlike the others. Economic recovery was slow, housing was in short supply, bread was rationed along with many necessities in short supply. It was an "age of austerity". American loans and Marshall Plan grants kept the economy afloat. India, Pakistan, Burma and Ceylon gained independence. Britain was a strong anti-Soviet factor in the Cold War and helped found NATO in 1949.

The Labour Party introduced charges for NHS dental services and glasses in 1951.[1][2] The Conservatives returned to power in 1951, accepting most of Labour's postwar reforms, but introduced prescription charges to the NHS in 1952 and denationalized steel in 1953. They presided over 13 years of economic recovery and stability. However the Suez Crisis of 1956 demonstrated Britain was no longer a superpower. Ghana, Malaya, Nigeria and Kenya were granted independence during this period. Labour returned to power under Harold Wilson in 1964 and oversaw a series of social reforms including the partial decriminalisation of homosexuality and abortion, the relaxing of divorce laws and the end of capital punishment.
Strange isn't it a Socialist Government being strongly "anti-Soviet" Not what the right wing want you to believe.
And it was a system (which ever party were in government) that was based on socialism and socialist ideas.
POGS I'm just quoting Nye, make of it what you will.

muffinthemoo Fri 05-Oct-18 12:26:04

My childhood best friend sustained a very serious eye infection whilst travelling through Latin America.

If it had not been for the speed and quality of the free treatment he received when he eventually entered Cuba, he would have lost his sight. I am profoundly grateful that he was looked after.

He was also found work and housing by the state. He’s not a person especially good at keeping himself safe, and Cuba was his best experience of the trip. It was also the only point of his travels where I was not acutely anxious for his welfare.

trisher Fri 05-Oct-18 12:32:01

muffin so pleased for your friend. The extraordinary work of the health service in Cuba is seldom recognised or applauded. They have survived years of sanctions from the US but have provided health care, support, aid and education for other countries including crisis torn Haiti. A friend in health care visited professionally and was amazed to find they built their own equipment including dialysis machines.

MaizieD Fri 05-Oct-18 12:35:00

Us left-wingers have rumbled you
“We” trisher, not “us”
Just saying.

Ooh. Is it open house on corrections of SPAG now, MawB?

Can I point out to several posters that it's is not the possessive pronoun, it's a contraction of 'it is'?

MaizieD Fri 05-Oct-18 12:39:13

Cuba also has a nearly 100% literacy rate, according to UNESCO. If true, it's rather better than the UK's.

trisher Fri 05-Oct-18 12:43:07

Especially since when Castro came to power they had one of the lowest rates of literacy in the world. (thanks to American involvement)

Anniebach Fri 05-Oct-18 12:49:38

Cuba? Another utopia

Ilovecheese Fri 05-Oct-18 13:02:52

Cuba also sent medics to help with the Ebola outbreak.

MawBroon Fri 05-Oct-18 13:09:33

Can I point out to several posters that it's is not the possessive pronoun, it's a contraction of 'it is

I think we had rumbled that one MaizieD. Unfortunately spellcheckers/predictive texting too often decrees otherwise and the pesky things slip through.

MawBroon Fri 05-Oct-18 13:11:03

Can I point out to several posters that it's is not the possessive pronoun, it's a contraction of 'it is

And of course you “can”
In fact you may if you do wish.

trisher Fri 05-Oct-18 13:14:40

Us left wingers have still rumbled you!

MaizieD Fri 05-Oct-18 13:22:50

Maw grin

Day6 Fri 05-Oct-18 13:23:31

Those not to the far left are 'vermin' and 'road-kill' now. hmm

So this is Corbyns way...caring for all. Or all who support him and his vile band. Spotted a young man recently, could have been no more than 17, sporting a T shirt with the slogan 'Kill Tory Scum'.

A brave, new, violent and vicious world under Labour. No thanks.

POGS Fri 05-Oct-18 13:27:18

trisher

"POGS I'm just quoting Nye, make of it what you will."

Then I will make of your using another persons quote to make your own point and believe you are indeed calling those who vote Conservative/Tory ' VERMIN and ROAD KILL '.

How ironic the thread is entitled the The Nasty Labour Party.

trisher Fri 05-Oct-18 13:53:07

Try to. get it right POGS I realise it is difficult given the prejudice you feel.
Vermin are the Tories
Road Kill are middle of the road. (It's a complicated metaphor but essentially in the middle of the road you just get squashed flat, no one listens to you, a point surely some will agree with)
According to some I'm a communist, so maybe you shouldn't blame the Labour Party.

lemongrove Fri 05-Oct-18 14:02:41

trisher your comments to those not of the same political
Stripe as yourself are getting worse!
Quoting insults from an irascible Nye is just your way of insulting Conservative and Lib Dem GN members.
Not that you will admit it on here of course, it will be all ‘oh dear, am only quoting him’ .... I think it’s you with the prejudice problem not POGS.

lemongrove Fri 05-Oct-18 14:03:56

The Nasty Labour Party, yes, very apt.

trisher Fri 05-Oct-18 14:09:07

lemon you are one of the people who has called me a communist so come on what is it? Or can't you tell the difference.
As far as the Lib Dems go I would have thought given their history they would fully understand "Road Kill"

lemongrove Fri 05-Oct-18 14:13:28

What is what?

lemongrove Fri 05-Oct-18 14:16:21

‘Are you, or have you ever been, a member of the Communist Party?’ grin
Corbyn and McDonnell are that way inclined...... !

GrannyGravy13 Fri 05-Oct-18 14:17:23

This thread is turning nasty.

trisher Fri 05-Oct-18 14:22:45

Pleased you know about McCarthyism lemon there are indications that some people would like to create a similar movement here. The only problem being they want to root out all left wingers not just communists.

Jalima1108 Fri 05-Oct-18 14:25:44

Is this the period you mean trisher?

Looking at a list of post-war governments up to the 1980s (both parties were in government during that time, not just Labour) it is interesting to not the higher turnout in those days - around 80%.
Perhaps people had more of a sense of duty or perhaps they have just become disillusioned with politics altogether nowadays.

Jalima1108 Fri 05-Oct-18 14:26:01

note - not not