No Deal and supply of medicines

janeainsworth, many qualifying out of Britains universities never join the medical profession in the UK but leave immediately on gaining their accreditations for overseas to begin their careers. The same applies to many other professions in Britain at the present time,

So however regrettable, it is simplistic to put everything down to Brexit
(Beast from the east, England’s rugby performance, cost of housing, World Cup outcome....?)

Also, the National Health Service has one of the best grievance procedures of any organisation in this country. It is up to employees whether they wish to use that procedure or not

Oh that is so easy to say Grandad
Whistleblowers face all sorts of opprobrium at work from isolation within their team or department down to the threat of losing their job . So easy to say “up to you to complain”.

MawBroon, it is easy for people in any workplace to "turn their backs" when witnessing a work colleague being bullied or harassed. However, those carrying out the harassment or bullying inevitability move on to another employee having forced someone to leave their employment, it never fails.

As I pointed out on this forum some weeks ago, my company investigated a severe workplace accident last year involving a young mother receiving life changing injuries after being hit by a forklift. The investigation brought forward that very serious harassment and bullying had been carried out against the forklift driver, which constituted the root cause of the accident.

Many in the workplace knew of the bullying prior to the incident happening but did nothing. The female employee will in all probability never walk again. Therefore, so much for doing nothing in the face of harassment and bullying in the workplace.

Those of us involved in the investigation were appalled at what we found, and several within the company were dismissed from their employment over the incident while others received various stages of warnings.

I think you may have proved my point

Mawbroon quote[I think you may have proved my point] End Quote.

With every respect Mawbroon but I do no quite follow your above statement. If it is in regard to those that knew of the harassment and bullying being carried out against the forklift driver but did nothing, then several of those employees received written warnings. The investigation proved they had knowledge that safety in the company was being impaired but did not report that knowledge.

The above is covered under The Health & Safety at Work Act 1974, employees duty of care (employees responsibilities)

I’d still like to know the sources for your wild assertions Grandad.
There are many reasons for poor staff retention in the NHS but I don’t believe Brexit is one of them, except for EU-qualified practitioners.

^Oh that is so easy to say Grandad
Whistleblowers face all sorts of opprobrium at work from isolation within their team or department down to the threat of losing their job . So easy to say “up to you to complain”.^
Absolutely agree Maw

Sorry italics didn’t work

jalima you are right, when the new system of training medical graduates was introduced the DOH didn’t fund enough places and junior doctors were left without jobs.

janeainsworth, below is one source of statistics in regard to medical graduates /junior doctors moving abroad. This one gives details of numbers taking up opportunities in Australia and New Zealand.

However, as I have already stated it is not just the medical profession that is affected by recruitment problems. In my own industry (Industrial Safety) recruitment of staff with the highest accreditations is nearly impossible. That is not all down to Brexit, but also shortcomings in the education and training sector.

However, I would have to admit that if I was thirty years younger at this time, I would probably consider moving to France with my family of that time.

Link to the British Medical Journal article follows here:-
www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5667

janeainsworth, here is a very recent report on the numbers and reasons for "professionals" finding opportunities abroad.

Link starts here:-
www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/9699524/Britain-being-hit-by-rise-in-graduate-brain-drain.html

With reference to the above link @ 16.22 it was stated that here is a very recent report
Am I the only one who thinks that a report from 2012 is not ^ very recent^

Well, time does fly when you're having fun..

MissA

petra, the report from the Daily Telegraph is today. Look at the date on the right hand side at the start of the actual article.

And there I was trying to be serious when you girls come along and lower the tone?‍♀️love it???

Well spotted, Petra
One from 2012 and one from 2013.
When Brexit wasn’t even a twinkle in David Cameron's Eye.

Well, Petra we have just been thrown out of the Argy for fighting and swearing ( hangs head in shame.) ....and we had to go somewhere !

Grandad1943
Wrong!!!
If you scroll down you will see that the article was written by Graeme Paton Education Editor 23 November 2012

Looks like 2012 to me

Grandad1943
I've been on GN too long to be caught out with a fact

Jane
Yup, that looks like 2012

Here is a media report on the overall problem of major staff shortages in the NHS. The article looks at the number of reasons that the situation is becoming so serious and makes grim reading for all who support the health service

Report begins here:-
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/23/matt-the-blank-made-few-friends-when-grilled-over-the-nhs-and-brexit.

Apologies for the Telegraph article, do not understand why they placed todays date at the top of the page and then and old article.

I cannot believe the above link went wrong again.. Could be my phone needs rebooting as like me its been on the go since 7am this morning. Think I will have a very large Drambuie before I go on any further.

Here is the link I intended to paste
amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/26/nhs-in-england-facing-deepening-staffing-crisis-figures-show

However, I would have to admit that if I was thirty years younger at this time, I would probably consider moving to France with my family of that time

Fluent French, Grandad? .