Peoples' Vote March Saturday 20th October

Are they all numpties again merlotgran?
Britain's future

Thank you jura.

Sorry, been out working in the garden, as I was getting a bit cross.

And yes, hand up and a massive apology to you, Kitty - as it was of course Maw who made the comment re British'ness'- and not you at all- and I have been waiting for days for her explanation.

I am very sorry.

Reading this thread has reminded me that The Apprentice is on tonight.

#nothinglikeagoodscrap

Thank you, jalima, i thought I'd lost the plot!

jura?

In the interests of fairness I have scoured the thread to find your post kittylester and can confirm that it is nowhere to be seen.

jura, I don't care whether you can be arsed or not! You have been rude to me about a post I am supposed to have made. I would like an explanation.

Stop being so rude
I think calling a poster Senseless is rather rude myself.
Or perhaps that was a group of posters.

Because you was asking me to solve the problems of which you knew I could not, albeit in a passive aggressive sarcastic manner
Do you know the answer to the Irish Border etc,because I'm pretty sure I don't, but I do know when someone is being rude and sarcastic to me.

tinafl- how can my polite response at 18.24. be considered as 'rude to you'- in any way, shape or form?

oh it was days ago - and I just can't be a's'ked anymore.

I am more bewildered than ever jura. Please explain! Where have I posted about your Husband's britishness? What are you expecting me to say to 'hmm'?

I was at my GPS surgery at 10.09

Well you have just been rude and sarcastic to me Jura and no I cannot help you move on that's why I make my mind up and cast my democratic vote for some one who I think will make this a better place for me and my children and grandchildren but if the vote doesn't go the way I hope I move on

Lemon the vote has impacted on the pound, let alone what may happen when we leave. The dollar was 1.62 to the pound before the vote, has gone as low as 1.21 and is now around 1.32.

I have put this in threads before and no one has commented, in fact I think it closed one thread down.

No one has yet commented on my earlier post about the 70 countries we have trade deals with as part of the EU and what will happen if we are no longer part of it.

Yes, I am fully aware of the difference.

Which is why I have not discussed my opinion on those very important matters, nor the opinion of anyone else- but the warnings and forecast of the consequences, based on FACT, as given by experts who know- much better than me, and much better than you, even.

There are no words- is a very restrained way of not being extremely rude. It helps.

There is also a big difference between worries of how things will pan out, and outright and outrageous scaremongering.

jura I have noticed you often say ‘ there are no words’ and usually when you have just used many of them.

Apologies kitty, must have erased the answer as I copied and pasted.

I did answer, and even before you asked (at 10.09.50) - at 10.08.39.

Still awaiting for your comment re 'hmm' with regard to my husband's Britishness. Or should I allow this to fizzle out.

lemongrove- 'inconvenience' really? And you say I am unfair in raising fears - and you call it 'inconvenience'. We have talked about international haulage, most of our essential utilities being owned by EU or others, about the availability of drugs and cancer treatment- and so much more. And you call this 'inconvenience' - and reduce this to second homes owners and queues at airports.

There are no words. And what if it is the UK that tumbles, as is much more likely to be the case in the current scenario.

Seems I have hit a nerve with you jura was it saying how melodramatic you are?

For some people who think that leaving the EU will affect the pound and therefore their pocket, who perhaps have second homes in EU countries and fear longer airport queues, may I say this.... The UK having full control over it’s own decisions including ( but not only ) immigration, and leaving what is a huge floundering empire which wants only the euro to be used and it’s own army at the very least, and is run by Germany and France, is far more important than any inconveniences to be felt by some.
Eventually like all empires, it will tumble.We will be well out if it.

jura - I would be grateful if you would explain your comment to me. TIA!

Smileless, find a post where I have been rude to a poster- and I will have a look and apologise, if I have been rude in a personal way, as lemon is regularly lately.

Grandma70s 'My brother, who is 82 and can only walk with a rollatir, is going on this march. I am proud of him. Like me, he is utterly appalled at the prospect of Brexit.'

could you kindly thank your brother for making the effort to go- if he can, I'd love him to represent me as I am not able to go... perhaps wear a badge with 'Jura Switzerland' x

My hat and heart to him.

tinafl - could you please help us move on. Perhaps a solution to the Irish border would be helpful, or a solutions for international haulage, drugs and isotopes, flights and ports, EU citizens in the UK, and British citizens in the EU, and ... and ... the list is endless.

Democracy requires that knowledge allows citizens to change a decision if it is realised later that the consequences are dire. And as said before so many times, in the context of a very small minority, proven fraud, Russian interference (which the Police is refusing to investigate because they have been gagged by the Government- and THAT is very serious) and lies.

That was my point (Smileless2012 16/10/18) I thought the people voted in a democratic referendum to leave the EU so why can't this be accepted and we move on

Kitty 'So is this fizzling out? hmm
No comment from Jura on the misrepresentation - is that it then?,

because, quite simply, this would not be a second referendum, but a vote on the final deal. Now that we all understand the massively severe issues we are facing, especially in the case of a NO deal. And now that we know there is no possible solution to the Irish border.

And of course,

small minority
lies
fraud

This is all so silly and such barbs are not helpful.

^"It's been said over and over again varian. It would be wrong to have a peoples' vote because the only aim is to overturn the referendum result and stay in the EU.^" Surely not? Imo the point of a peoples' vote is to find out whether the reality of whatever deal is what people want or whether it is not. All this bickering could so easily stop if we all knew we were getting a chance to vote on the outcome of the negotiations.

"Can you in all honesty tell me that you'd have supported a peoples' vote if the result of the referendum had been to remain and it was Brexiters calling for another vote?" Well I would if it was discovered that the basis on which I had voted turned out to have been lies.

From the House of Commons International Trade Committee - a cross party group:

The UK currently benefits from the terms of trade agreements, and other trade-related
agreements, that the EU has with countries outside the Union. The Department
for International Trade (DIT) has set as its second priority “to see a transition of [each
of these] agreements to a UK agreement at the point that we leave the EU”. The exact
number of EU trade agreements seems to be a matter of some uncertainty. There appear
to be around 40 agreements with about 70 countries. Ten of the UK’s top 50 export
markets for goods in 2015 were covered by these agreements. The third-country (nonEU)
parties to the agreements account for around 11% of UK trade; and the prospective
parties to those agreements which are nearest completion or awaiting ratification
account for another 25% of UK trade. Unless action is taken, these trade agreements
will cease to apply to the UK, without exception, at the point of Brexit in March 2019.
In consequence, barriers to trade will be imposed.

If that doesn't worry you I don't know what will!