Is today’s Brexit the same as we voted for in 2016.

I think Kier Starmer is a disgrace saying Brexit can be stopped he should remember he can be stopped as well at the ballot box.

We have had a vote, we know the outcome, let's just get out and start the process of rebuilding the UK.

Emily Thornberry!

Ohh yes Pogs, I did & she was just the same as any other time I have watched her ,rolling eyes, critical, rude, bolshie

Every time I look at Emily Thornberry I think she is the epitome of what some people think of when they think of an old-fashioned Tory Woman from the Shires; the one in charge of the fund-raising tea parties, bossing around the minions and bulldozing her way through her extremely comfortable, corseted life looking down her nose at those less fortunate than herself. "More tea, vicar"?

You know, the vision that some have of Tory Woman who doesn't really exist and Lady Nugee is possibly not really like that at all.

And yes, I did mean corseted and not cossetted.

Well done Jal fat shaming and using a title you bloody well know she never uses - there’s plenty to criticise ET for but sinking to that pathetic level is childish beyond belief. GN is clearly at its best today- not even Reception class but pre-nursery

Jalima1108, just for the record, us "Tory women from the Shires" raise a lot of money from afternoon teas, race nights, winter/summer balls etc.??? At the moment we are fund raising for a new Hospice.

I have never worn a corset nor do I ever intend to!!!

Why of why does every thread end up in insults???

You're in a jolly good mood today maryeliza

Where did I mention the word 'fat'?

GrannyGravy13 you have completely missed my point!

If I have Jalima1108 I apologise.

Of course today's Brexit isn't what "we" voted for because every leaver you speak to seems to have voted for something different.

I pmd you GrannyGravy!

MarthaBecj
Personally, I strongly believe we’re deliberately deceived. We should have been asked to vote on true factual information, which we now know we were NOT given.
There ate those of us who have an inquisitive nature and take on information and knowledge through experience, research, reflection and often challenge perceived norms to ensure the validity of the information,
There are those of us who accept information disseminated as truth without challenge and then claim they were lied to when the information does not conform to their personal view.

A large percentage of leave supporters seem to state that in casting their vote they knew precisely what they were voting for. However, yesterday (11/11/18) the defence minister Tobias Ellwood admitted on Sky News that plans are well advanced to deploy the armed forces into the ports and other critical areas in the event of a no deal Brexit.

Therefore, I would ask those on the forum who have stated they voted leave, did they in casting that vote have knowledge of and accept the possibility of troops having to be deployed into the ports and streets of Britain on Brexit?

I also wonder why the above possibility was not placed on the side of the bus?

Link to sky news report follows here:-
news.sky.com/story/minister-military-could-be-used-in-the-event-of-a-no-deal-brexit-11551539

Are you envisaging the military being used to forcibly hold back the populace from evacuating the UK Grandad? Or are they to be used to augment the customs officers?

I voted leave nothing to do with "a side of the bus".

I was for the EEC, not for the United States of Europe, a European Army or being governed by France & Germany.

The EU as it stands is in serious danger of falling apart.

Ditto. GG

NfkDumpling, as the defence minister stated in the link, "the government have to plan for every single scenario". I believe that statement indicates exactly what is being considered by the Cabinet and defence chiefs in regard to what may be required.

GrannyGravy13, did you in casting your leave vote have knowledge of and accept the possibility of troops having to be deployed into the ports and streets of Britain on Brexit?

I must admit that I do not have personal experience of being an importer, exporter or haulage professional, taking goods through the Dover- Calais route.

I expect most Gransnetters are like me and have no personal experience of this vital link. Let's just listen to someone who knows exactly what this entails.

"My Business Will Fold If UK Leaves Customs Union"

www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9jD04eHMlM

They used troops many years ago to sort out the bin men’s strike. Troops are good at all sorts of things.

Are you saying you think the army will be there to stop the refugee jungle forming at Ashford? Or that France will declare war?

I don't think that France will declare war. Why should they bother with the laughing stock of Europe?

It would be a very sad state of affairs if our troops should have to be mobilised to forestall the self-inflicted damage to our country that any kind of brexit - not just a "no-deal brexit" could inflict on our country.

NfkDumpling, I believe the government in considering the armed forces being deployed into the ports and other critical areas on a no deal Brexit would be to preserve public order in the case of severe and prolonged disruption.

In that, we have the possibility of British troops confronting other British subjects.

What are the other critical areas?

All the serving members of the armed forces that I know and have come in contact with are leave supporters. They definitely do not want to part of an European Army.

Our family business does sell imported goods, and as I have stated on this forum frequently, our suppliers are not worried in the least about continuing selling to the UK. I might add that they are predominantly German manufacturers.

All the serving members of the armed forces that I know voted REMAIN.

As usual when the "real questions" are asked we have leave supporters "dodging" those questions as has been the case with the Irish border threads. Therefore, I will repeat the question I asked of leave voters earlier in this thread. That question begins here:-

A large percentage of leave supporters seem to state that in casting their vote they knew precisely what they were voting for. However, yesterday (11/11/18) the defence minister Tobias Ellwood admitted on Sky News that plans are well advanced to deploy the armed forces into the ports and other critical areas in the event of a no deal Brexit.

Therefore, I would ask those on the forum who have stated they voted leave, did they in casting that vote have knowledge of and accept the possibility of troops having to be deployed into the ports and streets of Britain on Brexit?

Link to sky news report follows here:-
news.sky.com/story/minister-military-could-be-used-in-the-event-of-a-no-deal-brexit-11551539

Any answers?

I think the pertinent word is "could"