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Is today’s Brexit the same as we voted for in 2016.

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MarthaBeck Sat 10-Nov-18 09:33:15

I liked the question on social media this morning.

Simple question, is Brexit today the same Brexit put to the electorate at the referendum 2 years ago? Obviously millions of our electoral no longer believe so, in which case that vote is no longer valid.
We need a vote on what we are being offered in 2018 NOT what was promised in 2016.to confirm or reject Brexit

Jalima1108 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:43:22

it was a X post I think.

andycameron69 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:42:23

it will all be better and fabulous for our Country, I am very optimistic, no deal will enrich us, to be free of unelected EU leaders, What is not to understand ...I am most proud of our Nation. ..onward and upwards ..yay , we will leave grin grin grin

varian Mon 12-Nov-18 19:40:01

I am speaking to anyone who voted Leave (not you Jalima we all know you voted Remain) and who still thinks it is a good idea to commit national hari-kari by jumping off a cliff into the abyss.

Jalima1108 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:37:19

I assume you are speaking to another poster not me.

Grandad1943 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:36:58

The leave leaders were the ones who should have given the electorate the full facts of the problems involved in gaining a customs agreement for leaving the EU. Instead of the foregoing, they criticised anyone who tried to present those full facts as being "project fear."

Many of those leave leaders are now members of this government or leading backbenchers. In that, we now seemingly witness fear spreading through their ranks as they seriously consider the possibility of deploying the Armed Forces into Britain's ports and other areas to confront other British citizens if the UK crashes out of the European Union in a no deal Brexit.

varian Mon 12-Nov-18 19:36:24

Did you vote to be poorer, for your children and grandchildren to be deprived of the opportunities they have now and for your whole future to be blighted by being a citizen of a small sad island, a once great nation, whigh became the laughing stock of the world?

Jalima1108 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:36:22

varian the UK Withdrawal bill was enshrined in law, was it not? Other bills have yet to go through though and a final deal thrashed out.

andycameron69 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:33:25

you are a scream, so happy am I for leaving.........you can not stop any of Brexit....

varian Mon 12-Nov-18 19:31:45

what jibberish!!!!

andycameron69 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:30:56

it is not so accept it, and stop trying to muddle up democracy,,it can not be reversed,, end of the story, stop dreaming..it is in uk law

varian Mon 12-Nov-18 19:27:08

Brexit is reversible even after date is set, says author of article 50

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/10/brexit-date-is-not-irreversible-says-man-who-wrote-article-50-lord-kerr

Jalima1108 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:17:33

As our PM at the time was so sure that the remain vote would win, the government had no idea what would happen in the event of a leave result, and had not made any contingency plans.

I think that's right - very foolish and now no longer here to suffer the consequences.

GrannyGravy13, surely the leave leaders had (or should have) considered ALL the possible scenarios and complications of Britain withdrawing from the European Union.

The leave leaders are not the ones who are in charge though; I believe that Theresa May was remain, although did not commit herself

I think she is trying to please everyone - which reminds me of that saying.

andycameron69 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:14:10

and Brexit can not be reversed. What a relief

andycameron69 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:12:24

we will be free of being governed by unelected people, I see that as fabulous, I am very looking forward to democracy going ahead, the majority won so get over yourselves silly remainers..........we will be again be an amazing country... I am proud of our country and we will prosper.

Grandad1943 Mon 12-Nov-18 19:03:40

So andycameron69, you would readily accept British troops confronting other UK people in your "excitement to leave"

varian Mon 12-Nov-18 19:01:59

There is so much nonsense in andycameron's post I don't know where to begin.

I wonder if this bonkers poster is some relative of the author of this crises, David Cameron?

POGS Mon 12-Nov-18 19:01:43

Bridgeit Mon 12-Nov-18 13:00:18

Very accurate description.

Grandad1943 Mon 12-Nov-18 18:59:47

GrannyGravy13 Quote[ As our PM at the time was so sure that the remain vote would win, the government had no idea what would happen in the event of a leave result, and had not made any contingency plans. ] End Quote.

GrannyGravy13, surely the leave leaders had (or should have) considered ALL the possible scenarios and complications of Britain withdrawing from the European Union. In that, they did not inform the electorate of those complications, including the possibility of not being able to conclude a customs agreement and what that would entail for Britains ports and the Irish border

Instead of the above, those leaders constantly told the electorate that a "golden future" would be readily available to the UK on leaving and nothing else.

However, now we have the Government, and those leave leaders in the cabinet having to seriously consider the deployment of the armed forces in those ports and other critical areas because of their failure in the leave negotiations.

The above I would describe as "abject failure", but of course leave voters knew precisely what they were voting for, or so many of them state.

andycameron69 Mon 12-Nov-18 18:59:08

we are leaving with a hard brexit, meaning leave the cesspit of EU unelected corruption of governing us by a foreign body.....I am so excited to leave .

jura2 Mon 12-Nov-18 18:31:16

' there are no factual answers just maybes, ifs and buts!'

exactly- how can anyone unite behind maybes, ifs and buts??? is the reason the same question is being asked- again and again. Because there is nothing but .... maybes, ifs and buts = chaos.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 12-Nov-18 18:30:16

Sorry I meant to add that I am particularly cross with Cameron's government for not having plans in place before giving the country the referendum vote,

GrannyGravy13 Mon 12-Nov-18 18:25:58

As our PM at the time was so sure that the remain vote would win, the government had no idea what would happen in the event of a leave result, and had not made any contigency plans.

Lots of possibilities, but until they happen they are just that possibilities.

I am intrigued that those who voted remain keep on asking the same questions, to which they know there are no factual answers just maybes, ifs and buts!

jura2 Mon 12-Nov-18 18:16:03

How can a country unite, when even the Government can't- unite behind NO DEAL- NO WAY

Grandad1943 Mon 12-Nov-18 18:14:44

Apologies should be "could develop" above.

Grandad1943 Mon 12-Nov-18 18:12:37

GrannyGravy13, as the government, cabinet, and defence chiefs are at an advanced stage of planning this deployment, I would suggest that it is at least now a "distinct possibility"

Did you have knowledge of and accept such a situation would develop in the UK when you cast your vote to leave GrannyGravy13.