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Is this JC’s “Donkey jacket gate”?

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MawBroon Mon 12-Nov-18 11:11:26

inews.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyns-coat-armistice-day-service-cenotaph/

Harrumph!
I know appearance is not everything, but could Jeremy Corbyn not have found a more appropriate coat and tie?
Looks like a bit of a passive aggressive statement to me.

Bridgeit Mon 12-Nov-18 20:18:36

I guess a lot of us have adhere to a sense of occasion, so back in the day any occasion deemed important would instigate a wish to wear our best outfit, to indicate the specialness of the said occasion.
I guess that’s how JC is being judged

Chewbacca Mon 12-Nov-18 20:23:15

He looked shambolic and unkempt and totally disrespectful for the seriousness of the occasion. And if if anyone considers my post or opinion "childish and pathetic "; I care not one jot.

Bridgeit Mon 12-Nov-18 20:32:55

Well I suppose it was a guaranteed way get attention & make a statement.

PECS Mon 12-Nov-18 20:36:02

Well only if people react to it! Bridgeit

Bridgeit Mon 12-Nov-18 20:48:31

Which we have ?

lemongrove Mon 12-Nov-18 20:54:11

Chewy.... well put, shambolic and disrespectful indeed, but no more than I expected from him.
Is he a man who doesn’t care about his appearance or a man who likes to give the impression that he doesn’t care, I wonder.

M0nica Mon 12-Nov-18 20:59:46

Yes, but the statement was, 'I am totally cloth-eared, what is your problem?' He is likely to be PM and playing with the big boys, like Trump, and other big players, in every sense. Do you think they will even notice he is there, let alone listen to anything he says.

He presents himself in the guise of the 7 stone weakling and wants to play with the worlds biggest bullies. hmm

Carolina55 Mon 12-Nov-18 21:01:52

I repeat the question - would it be acceptable for the royals to dress the same? If not, why not?

M0nica Mon 12-Nov-18 21:08:19

Carolina I answered this question at about 15.15m p4, about 7 messages up from the bottom of the page. However I do not think anybody else did.

PECS Mon 12-Nov-18 21:16:17

Just explain what is "shambolic" & " disrespectful" about the appearance?

If you do not like the man's policies fine, then argue that issue. He has voted consistently against war and aggression. He has been criticised for meeting with groups involved in conflict. His is wishy washy over Brexit. He has been consistent in his principles. He has missed opportunity to wipe the floor with the Government. I am not an uncritical supporter of JC.
But really..he wore a fuxxing anorak!

Anniebach Mon 12-Nov-18 21:19:54

Inappropriately dressed , why the overcoat in 2017 and the anorak in 2018

lemongrove Mon 12-Nov-18 21:21:12

Exactly PECS an anorak! That was the problem...that and the blink and you miss the poppy he was wearing.
Is fuxxing a new trendy word btw?

lemongrove Mon 12-Nov-18 21:22:37

Look at the men around him, they look great.

Iam64 Mon 12-Nov-18 21:25:11

I was in the crowds near the Cenotaph on Sunday, not close enough to see any wreath laying of course. The sun shone and it was relatively mild. The atmosphere reflected the significance of this Remembrance Sunday.
I'm not sure that those who say the men who served in that awful 1914-1918 war are right, when they say those men wouldn't have cared what JC wore. Things are more relaxed, less formal now than 100 years ago. However, my observation was that the majority of people in the crowds dressed more formally than they may have done for an ordinary day out in London at the weekend. Of course, there were a lot of former military personnel in the crowds, all looking extremely conventional and smart.
I suspected JC would be criticised and I'm surprised he didn't anticipate that and wear a more formal overcoat to ensure his appearance didn't dominate reports of his attendance at this special Remembrance Sunday.

Anniebach Mon 12-Nov-18 21:35:42

His choice of informal dress was a certainty to hit the press, as did poor Michael’s coat which was not a donkey jacket .

Corbyn knew what he was doing, he used the laying of a wreath at the Cenotaph as a means to canvas for votes

M0nica Mon 12-Nov-18 21:36:23

PECS, what we think about him doesn't matter, what does matter is what the people he will be dealing with and negotiating with if he becomes PM think of him that matters and when they see his choice of outfit for this exceptionally large and significant occasion, they laugh at him, or worse still, snigger behind their hands. He is presenting himself to the big international beasts he will be dealing with then as a person, who can be completely ignored or eaten in one mouthful..

We can see already how Trump a much, much bigger man than Corbyn in every way, has made the USA a laughing stock since he became President. He's got away with it because the USA has a big army, with big guns and a lot of money.

Corbyn has the disadvantage that he isn't physically big, he dresses like a nonentity, and will have neither army, guns or money but everyone will be laughing at him, if they notice him at all.

PECS Mon 12-Nov-18 21:47:20

We cannot choose leaders on their dress sense! Policy and integrity are what matter.
As I have tried to indicate I am not a "blind" supporter of JC but am fed up with stupid focus on dancing, clothes etc to denigrate a person rather than debate their policies or the honesty or otherwise of their actions.

No-one appears to have a problem with the government selling arms that are killing people now but who stand and bow to remember war dead. To me that that is a political debate not the clothes someone wears.

lemongrove Mon 12-Nov-18 21:52:29

That shows great naivete then PECS because statesmen do have to look the part.
What would you think of a scruffy GP or solicitor, you would have serious doubts about how competent they were, and rightly so.

M0nica Mon 12-Nov-18 22:08:22

PECS a lot of us would agree you, but it happens all the same, so we just have to knuckle down and deal with it and for the Labour Party and Britain to go forward to bravely negotiate these noble things like peace in our time and the end of the arms race then we have to have a leader who can cut the mustard - and part of that is looking the part. having the demeanour, yes, and the clothes that show that you are not to be messed with. If Corbyn cannot see that then he does not have the skills needed to be a world leader.

Eloethan Mon 12-Nov-18 22:19:05

No doubt if Corbyn had appeared all dressed up in a black cashmere overcoat, expensively understated tie, etc, etc, the media would be the first to denounce him for adopting a style that was so clearly not his own in order to curry favour with the great British public.

Let's face it, whatever he did he would be criticised. I believe it was last year a photograph was published which appeared to show him "dancing" at the commemoration. When the whole, uncropped, picture was seen it revealed that the accusation of him "dancing" was a complete fabrication.

How truly pathetic and disgusting that at a time when the tragic deaths of millions of people and the horrors of war were supposed to be being commemorated with quiet dignity, instead the media chooses to make yet another political attack on Corbyn.

There is reportedly a huge lack of resources allocated to service people with PTSD and other mental health problems. For many years there have been, and continue to be, reports on the terrible state of much of the housing allocated to service families. The lack of practical and emotional support when people leave the armed services has also led to ex service people being disproportionately represented in figures relating to homelessness, mental health problems and addiction. Perhaps instead of a load of immaculately dressed people standing with sombre faces each year at commemoration services, it might be more productive to sort these issues out.
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Fennel Mon 12-Nov-18 22:22:59

He was there and looked clean and neat . And placed his wreath.
Those are the main things imo.

PECS Mon 12-Nov-18 22:25:34

lemongrove I do not really do not put a lot of emphasis on what people wear. I am one of those who do not really support school uniform. If you think that is naïve so be it.

Luckygirl Mon 12-Nov-18 22:26:53

And all those guys in their smart suits - the sort of people who send new young people to war from the safety of their offices. Wearing a suit does not mean they are innocents.

What JC wore is an irrelevance.

Many people in their own different ways wanted to remember the wholesale slaughter that was WW1 and to express their sorrow. What any one of these people wore is not what it is about.

M0nica Mon 12-Nov-18 22:35:37

What sort of impression do you think Corbyn made on other world leaders by his appearance this weekend and how do you think it will affect their view of him as a man they can do business with, as distinct from walk over him.

PECS Mon 12-Nov-18 22:40:19

LuckygirlI agree.
Did those of us, who may have watched the ceremony at home, show less respect if we were still in PJs, or have an apron on over jeans and jumper? Or could we still weep genuine tears, think about and remember those we have known and loved whose lives were ravaged by war?
It is not what you wear to Remembrance Service but the honesty of your feeling that matters.
Matthew 6:5