So, our Honourable friends the Brexiteers ...

nom, nom. nom

ooy yummy, fried in butter.

Jalima soon be enough mushrooms for a fry up.

Oh thank goodness for that.

Anniebach when I called you a mushroom it was not meant unkindly, it meant 'join the clan'

Listened to T May and am listening to what Barnier says.
This may be the best proposal/ deal ( withdrawal agreement) we can get, the Cabinet agreed it at least, will Parliament agree it?The Cabinet was obviously split on this, which is why it took so long ( I had visions of them all shouting and hitting each other, then sending out for pizza!)
No doubt it will be picked over in the forthcoming days, so we will know all the details.From what I have heard already,
It sounds quite good.

Agreed Fennel I should have stated proposal not agreement.

Very long day.

To put to the EU.

It's not an agreement it's a proposal.

Well, it certainly looks from all that Theresa May stated outside of Downing Street that the cabinet has agreed a document that will keep us in the customs union for several more years.

I believe that customs union agreement is the essential section of this agreement as that will prevent the chaos through the ports that would ensue without such a customs union agreement.

Of course, the agreement still has to pass through parliament, and that is another issue. At least some common sense has prevailed at this point in time, however temporary that may be.

jura

Well you know as much as anybody jura how difficult it can be to fight against the European Unions desire for a Federal State / Ever Closer Union.

As a Swiss national who is used to referendum after referendum the Swiss Government couldn't even follow the wish of the people in a referendum when the people voted to limit immigration could it? The EU wouldn't let it happen.

That brings us back to the ' no cherry picking ' abiding by the 4 Pillars / Freedoms even for countries such as Switzerland who are ' not even members of the European Union '!

It was said we have not given away our Sovereignty. Really?

It was said said we had control of our laws. Really?

It was said to anybody who raised the spectre of an EU Army they were virtually lying .

Brown signed off the b----y Lisbon Treaty but at that time the Lib Dems called for a Referendum over our continued membership fast forward 8 years and it was the devils work holding a Referendum . Labour/Lib Dems and Conservatives have all said at some stage the voters would have the chance of a Referendum over the UK and it's membership in the EU, although to listen and watch those who once said that now back peddling like crazy you could easily forget their hypocrisy.

As for the non stop crowing nobody was told about the Single Market / Customs Union well all I can say is they had not taken the time to listen to the likes of Cameron and Osborne who told us ' repeatedly ' , I think it was even in the 9 million pound Vote Remain circulars we all received. Obviously some people had a ruddy cloth ear.

I think the worst part of all this debacle for me as a Remainer is the sneering, name calling and point of view those who voted Leave were/are racist, xenophobic, uneducated . The fact our Parliament voted for a Referendum to take place asking the voter whether we Remain or Leave and then our parliamentarians elect to fight against the result instead of coming together to fight for a good deal has left me concerned where democracy has a place now in politics.

I came so close to voting Leave and the reason why I gave that credence was I felt the EU has a hold on it's members similar to the Stockholm Syndrome and I can honestly say if a 2nd Referendum took place my fear that politics would trump economics has proven to be a reality and I will ask myself if I want to be under the control of the EU in future.

MissAdventure is never bitchy and Maw is kind to everyone

Jura was told by her doctor to stay off the forum ,

Cabinet backs Draft agreement.

What on earth is this about ?
Another mushroom joins the thread

jura2 Wed 14-Nov-18 13:34:59
Are you happy now ?

Little DGS ( 2 1/2) has taken to asking his mummy
“Are you happy, Mummy ?”
If the answer is “not really” because he is e.g. not eating his lunch, sitting on his bottom, or in some way doing something he shouldn’t be, he will then offer
“Want a cuddle?”

I hesitate to offer, but .......

What on earth is this about ?

oh not again jura.
Can't you see how you offend ?

Please, somebody put Jura out of her misery and tell her they're ? at the gossip.

There is no free ride, there is only exploitation.

oldbatty we do take in those which are destitute. The problem is knowing those who are truly destitute and those who want to come to the UK for a "free ride".

OK thank you

OldBatty, I don’t have any “side kicks.”
If it was at any time in the last 12 months then it was after I lost DH as Saturday was. the anniversary of his death

Sorry no, it wasn't after you had lost your husband. I was at my wits end re my elderly parents and you told me I should be glad to have them. You really have no idea.

Your side kicks on here have been only too happy to have a pop at me. I stand by my beliefs that this country can and should take people in who are struggling and destitute.

What is there for "our honourable friends the Brexiteers" to be happy about, jura? My reading of the news today suggests that they are not happy at all with the latest developments.

Sorry I can't recall which of the threads, probably Spring time .....April at a guess
Well I have no recollection I am afraid OldBatty but I probably don’t remember everything I said or did in the first months after I lost DH., I was in a pretty bad place myself.
But I apologise if I upset you, life can be hard and emotions all over the place after losing one’s life partner.