Police knocking criminals off mopeds

My post still stand but without your name.

The newspaper report I read quoted the moped thieves total astonishment astonished that the police 'are allowed to do this to us.'

That is to me the nub of the matter; so many young criminals believe, with reason, that they can get away with what they do because so many excuses are brought forward in their defence, and there are so few sanctions available to apply if convicted.

Yes eazybee, This is the point I cannot get my head around. The moped criminals are now the victims. They did have choice in the matter unlike the real victims.

I support this policy by the police. It is only carried out by specially trained officers and only when they consider the rider is a danger to themselves or to the general public. I don't agree with the usual "excuse" that they only do it because of their upbringing. I was raised in what would now be called a "deprived" area. The vast majority of my school friends chose to work to get out and improve our lives whilst some chose a life of crime as they considered it easier.

Maryeliza, Luckygirl and others who simply express a level of concern about how we end up with a policy where criminals can be knocked off mopeds as the least worst/best response to their crimes are pilloried as "namby pamby do-gooders". There were a number of demands to know what the do gooders would do with these criminals, other than the mythical 'slap on the wrist'.
None of those expressing anxiety about the proposed response were critical of the Police. There is agreement that 'something has to be done' about rising crime. The namby pamby gang point to the inevitable increase in crime that goes along with reductions in police/all other public services that worked to reduce crime.
The police live with the daily anxiety they may be accused of assault or over use of force. The fire arms officers are at risk of suspension or prosecution if a decision made under serious threat and in a split second, takes place.
A return to the stocks and public humiliation. What a ridiculous suggestion.

We could start with restoring discipline in our schools. You are not born a thug. Teachers are now often disciplined for trying to discipline children. Logic?

It all starts at home surely; schools can play a huge part in teaching discipline and good manners but if parents go to their child's school and, regardless of what the child has done they berate the staff and threaten them, what lesson is learned by the child ? That scenario is all too common, as I can vouch at first hand having seen it too often. I so wish competitive sports were encouraged; energy is expended in the right way, team work and learning to fail with good grace are all part of sport (at school - not necessarily on the professional football pitch but don't start me on that one) The swaggering vicious thugs who will stab a stranger who they think has looked at them sideways have grown to feral creatures through lack of guidance, and that must start at home.

Link please * Greta*. And you really think that’s where we should start? I used to work for a very successful woman who in her office had pinned up the quote that to every complex and difficult problem there is a simple solution and it’s usually wrong.

maryeliza54 Of course it should start at home, (discipline, manners and common decency) should continue through Primary, Senior Schools and Further Education.
It is the liberals and luvvies of this Country who are all for “the little dears human rights ” who should take some responsibility for the fact that that it is virtually impossible to punish a child at school, without them complaining about their rights!!! It’s about time the victims rights are upper most in the community.

maryeliza. I don't need to provide a link; I link it to experience. I agree there is no simple solution. As GrannyGrav says discipline should start at home. But how can Society control how parents discipline their children? Schools should be able to control their pupils' behaviour.

If something is from your experience then you could say so Greta but you stated it as a broad fact

Greta I think feral young people are now having babies themselves, I fear for these families. I agree the state cannot police “family homes”. SS are overwhelmed with their caseloads.

School is sometimes the only place with any structure that these youngsters know. Discipline and moral responsibility must be part of the ethos/pastorial culture of all schools.

feral oh just stop it

How would you describe someone on a moped with - knife/acid/cosh with the intent to use them?

I wouldn’t describe any human being as feral.

Would describe the person on a moped with life-acid-cosh and the intent to use them as a someone with serious psychological , psychiatric or personality problems. A danger to others and almost certainly to themselves. Prisoners who have committed those kind of offences have almost always experienced significant abuse and trauma in their own lives, or been born with the propensity to develop psychiatric/etc problems.
Demonising children or indeed adults does nothing to reduce crime. I understand that some posters believe in simple answers to complex problems. I don't agree with them.

The thing is Iam othering lets you off the hook doesn’t it? Then you don’t have any moral or ethical responsibility for the whole context within which ‘their’ behaviour is shaped and influenced. They are not like ‘us’. Helps some posters sleep at night I expect

I wouldn’t describe any human being as feral.

feral = not domesticated or cultivated

I agree it may not be the best term to use, but because I think it's probably not strong enough.

That seems quite a mild term for nasty vicious little thugs terrorising others on the streets.

Jalima that definition is why I used the word “feral”

Demonising children or indeed adults does nothing to reduce crime
The aim of this is to catch them not to injure them, otherwise they will be getting away on the stolen mopeds and continuing to steal, terrorise and possibly maim innocent people.

If the police can't stop them, can't find them, how on earth can they bring them to justice, face the court, receive the appropriate sentence and. we hope, rehabilitation?

Non sequitur there Jal and stop being so disingenuous you and GG you know well the word is describing them as animals. Dictionary definitions are frequently another of the last refuges of the scoundrels

There are a miriad of reasons why these young people are behaving the way they do, the breakdown of families, communities, the instability of loss of homes. Some of the loveliest young people I worked with had to fit into multiple home / partner changes, often sleeping on settees, sometimes sleeping in a sleeping bag in a porch or convenient corner of a room
As adults we would struggle to cope with these situations, and continue to function well, schools & rules are often even more traumatic for them to deal with, when home life is so chaotic. These are not excuses but they are all contributing factors to subsequent attitudes & behaviours. For too many young people stability just does not exist.

I think the police are doing the right thing . They are a danger to themselves as well as others

Excellent post Brid trying to understand is not making excuses. One job I had involved reading social work files - some of them were heartbreaking - young people of 15/16 who had never ever had a prayer with lives and experiences that the vast majority of us could never imagine. How bloody dare you sanctimonious posters call them ‘feral’. You. Have. No. Idea.

Non sequitur there Jal and stop being so disingenuous
Déjà vu, déjà vu, déjà vu

Feral = not domesticated or cultivated

If you want the Australian definition that is:
a person with an unconventional appearance and lifestyle, and anti-establishment views.