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"There will be NO renegotiation!" says Juncker for EU. Let us get out NOW!

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Day6 Wed 12-Dec-18 14:05:39

So, the EU will tie us to them forever and tell us when we can leave, and which trade deals we broker with other countries are acceptable.

I really, really hope there is a well-developed plan B, because our dealing with the WTO has to be the best deal for the UK.

NO DEAL has to be the way forward.

I think we are seeing just how tied and powerless we will be if we allow Brussels to continue to pull our strings.

petra Thu 20-Dec-18 20:01:58

Oh dear Varian you couldn't be more wrong. I've not long spent the past 6 weeks in the company of mostly Germans in Andalusia, and very good time we had ?
Sence of humour bypass on your part.

Joelsnan Thu 20-Dec-18 20:01:51

varian
you demonstrate the racism typical of leave voters

Out of order!

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 20:00:45

....and talking of ???I read that Junker ‘fell down’ grin once again at a dinner on Monday night.He really should take more water with it.

lemongrove Thu 20-Dec-18 19:58:42

There you go again Varian the racism card, you really are like a broken record.
Only 100 days to go until we leave the EU! ?

varian Thu 20-Dec-18 19:15:52

Oh dear Petra if you don't think that the Germans have a sense of humour, I'm afraid you demonstrate the racism typical of leave voters.

crystaltipps Thu 20-Dec-18 19:10:15

What’s undemocratic about having a vote?

crystaltipps Thu 20-Dec-18 19:09:22

Of course leave would have continued their hate campaign , Farage said as much. Dissent has not been silenced either way.

nigglynellie Thu 20-Dec-18 19:01:04

Had the referendum been the other way round by exactly the same margin, obviously run under the same rules, confirmed by Parliament by a large majority, undoubtedly it would have been perfectly legal, the margin totally acceptable and the population fine upstanding folk. Obviously the promises given by D.C, with the approval of the H of C were in fact to prevent, in the event of a close run thing, leavers rearing up and demanding another vote. Unfortunately this cunning plan actually back fired dramatically, and so now, remain are having to wriggle round declaring that leave won on lies, homophobia, the uneducated, racists, in fact anything does you can think of in order to break their parliamentary word in order to justify another referendum, even calling it a people's vote to sound more cosy and inclusive, and to make sure us ill educated folk know what it actually means!!! No, we're not the stupid etc etc ones, Parliament are, they are the arrogant fools for presuming that remain would win and that in the event of a narrow margin any dessent had been successfully silenced, well it has, only the wrong way round!!

Grandad1943 Thu 20-Dec-18 18:51:51

GrannyGravy13, we joined the "Common Market" many years ago. It's now history, and we are where we are as far as Britain is in relation to its trading today.

Therefore before we "jump off the Brexiteirs" cliff, we should allow this nation to give it's opinion on if that is the way electorate wish to go, now we are in possession of far more of the facts.

petra Thu 20-Dec-18 18:43:03

Varian
There's something wrong with your link.
The heading is German comedy show surely this is a contradiction in terms confused

GrannyGravy13 Thu 20-Dec-18 18:40:18

There is a video on the internet showing Tony Benn speaking about the effect of us joining the EU. It turned our trade surplus with Europe from a surplus to a defecit and the loss of 500,000 jobs.

varian Thu 20-Dec-18 18:36:28

It’s not just in the US where the UK has become a laughing stock thanks to Brexit.

On the season finale of Germany’s Heute Show, a loose adaptation of America’s The Daily Show, host Oliver Welke announced the winners of the “Golden Dumbass (Goldener Vollpfosten) of the Year” awards.

Alongside Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and Donald Trump, who won for the fourth-consecutive time, was the whole of the UK.

Welke declared the UK was now “the most confused island in the world” because of its botched attempts to leave the European Union.

www.indy100.com/article/brexit-uk-golden-dumbass-award-2018-heute-show-germany-oliver-welke-eu-8687356

petra Thu 20-Dec-18 18:36:27

Grandad1943
When we imported a motohome from the US we knew what the tariff would be before the ship docked in Southampton.
When we moved most of our household goods to Bulgaria ( not then in the eu) we had to list every single item. The carriers told us what the import duties would be. When we went to customs clearance they looked at the waybill, opened a few crates and then we paid.
Surely most of the goods coming in wil be from trusted traders. Therefore the majority of goods will not be checked, just the same as now. Or am I missing something?

Grandad1943 Thu 20-Dec-18 18:35:01

GrannyGravy13, yes Britain does still have free speech, and that free speech should be allowed to let this nation decide if the electorate want TMs deal, no deal or the deal we have now.

That would be true free speech.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 20-Dec-18 18:28:29

The UK has just been voted 1st in Forbes Magazine for the best country for business, for the second year running.

So I do not think that the UK is a "broken" country, nor do many businesses and business men/women.

crystaltipps Thu 20-Dec-18 18:27:13

Brexiteers do not care about jobs Or trading with our closest countries, they only care that immigration from the EU is stopped ( they’re not racist so it’s ok from everywhere else of course) and they can claim to have got back control, despite the fact we had control all along. The illusion that we will have some nebulous “sovereignty” whatever that means just so they can muck up the lives of half the country.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 20-Dec-18 18:17:26

Grandad the UK still has free speech and I like anyone else can comment on a news item.

varian Thu 20-Dec-18 18:16:08

Easyjet have just moved their HQ to Vienna.

Grandad1943 Thu 20-Dec-18 18:15:27

I believe that the Common Transit Convention will allow British registered or based aircraft to fly into European Union States but not to then fly onto other EU States. In that, they have to return directly to Britain which will drastically affect their efficiency and operational profitability.

Therefore, I feel that not many airlines will base their operations in Britain in the future affecting thousands of jobs. But of course, Brexiteirs do not care one hoot about people losing their jobs as long as they get their broken Britain.

varian Thu 20-Dec-18 18:08:22

Check your facts Day6.

Our government is entitled to limit EU migration. Other EU countries do but succesive British governments have chosen not to.

EU migrants have contributed far more to our economy and our national life than they have taken from it.

We are not in the Euro and have no obligation to support the Euro.

We currently have the very best deal of any EU nation- not in the Euro or Schengen, and receiving a rebate on our contributions.

We can continue to enjoy this great deal if we rescind Article 50 before 29th Mach next year.

Analysis by economists at the Treasury and at the Bank of England have shown conclusively that -

-Mrs May's deal will leave us worse off than we are now and having to comply with EU regulations without having a say in them.

-A "no-deal" brexit would be utterly catastrophic, costing us almost 10% in GDP and hurting the poorest in our society the hardest.

-Any kind of brexit will leave us, our children and our grandchildren worse off than we are now as full members of the European Union.

Grandad1943 Thu 20-Dec-18 17:56:36

GrannyGravy13 Quote [I am not a haulage or customs expert Grandad.] End Quote

So why are you quoting complicated documents such as the Common Transit Convention within twenty-four hours of them being signed GrannyGravy13?

I believe even the Road Haulage Association (RHA) and the Freight Transport Association (FTA) have as yet to give any detailed response to the document as far as I am aware.

In that, the RHA Chairman has been "spot on" in all he has predicted throughout this crisis up to this point in time.

So, I think i will await his considered judgment on the situation at the ports in the light of this agreement.

varian Thu 20-Dec-18 17:55:43

It will be interesting to see, when they are apprehended as I am sure they will be, whether the perpetrators of this drone incident are British citizens or infiltrators from the EU 27. My bet is that they will be found to be UK citizens.

Day6 Thu 20-Dec-18 17:52:18

I should add, 39 billion deal plus, EVERY SINGLE YEAR, open borders, no limit to EU immigration, and a liability to bail out the Euro to the tune of even more of our taxpayer billions when/if it fails or the economies of other members states falter, as happened in Greece.

We were mad to stay in the EU as long as we did, imo.

Day6 Thu 20-Dec-18 17:49:01

That's the 39 BILLION pounds choice which comes with open borders. Great deal for the UK - NOT!

Why is that the best deal - or indeed even worth considering now that we have seen just how difficult it is to get any sort of favourable terms from the EU?

varian Thu 20-Dec-18 17:45:39

Theresa May told us a few weeks ago that it would be a choice between "her deal" , "no deal" and "no brexit" but she only seems to be preparing for the first two.

Surely she should also be preparing for the sensible choice- NO BREXIT?