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So no hope from Jeremy either?

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MawBroon Sun 23-Dec-18 07:57:09

It seems JC would still back Brexit even if another election brought him to power.
How to shoot yourself in the foot?
From The Guardian this weekend

Jeremy Corbyn is facing a storm of criticism from Labour activists and MPs after suggesting he would press ahead with Brexit if the party won a snap general election.
In a sign that he is losing backing among overwhelmingly pro-Remain Labour supporters, Corbyn was also accused of betraying the party membership by appearing reluctant to back the idea of supporting Remain in a second referendum
The first signs of a serious internal revolt from party members on the left, who helped propel him to the leadership, came after Corbyn gave an interview to the Guardian in which he suggested he thought Brexit should go ahead and said EU state-aid rules would prevent a Labour government intervening to support UK industries.

trisher Fri 25-Jan-19 21:08:09

It's from another Nacla article POGS. Written by Alejandro Velasco, an Associate Professor of Modern Latin America New York University,
Sorry you get a sign. up I don't for some reason

lemongrove Fri 25-Jan-19 21:22:00

Another in denial as to where Venezuela has gone wrong!
I expect Corbyn thinks the same as you trisher.

trisher Fri 25-Jan-19 21:30:23

As does a professor of Latin American studies lemon but of course you know so much more about Venezuela and its political history. You are wasted on GN.

lemongrove Fri 25-Jan-19 21:38:02

trisher Maduro has run that country into the ground and there is plenty of information to confirm that fact.
You don’t like to admit it perhaps, being a socialist and a Corbyn fan.It will take more than a written piece by some
Prof to dispute that.
There are always other factors at play, but that doesn’t disguise how Madhuro has run things.

POGS Fri 25-Jan-19 21:43:55

trisher

I have just watched him on you tube.

www.google.com/search?q=Alejandro+Velasco%2C+an+Associate+Professor+of+Modern+Latin+America+New+York+Univ&oq=al&aqs=chrome.1.69i59l2j69i57j0j69i60l2.5699j0j8&client=tablet-unknown&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8#imgrc=j6RQTN5Nudq5fM:

I understand what he is saying but when he points out that Venezuala even under Chavez was rolling in money and imported like crazy under Chavez farming and other things were nationalised which halted production of food and goods. When oil dropped had nationalisation not taken place Venezuala could have rode out the storm as other countries did but it became the Latin American Basket Case.

Valesco in the YouTube clip does not mention corruption, jobs for the cronies , nationalisation he too says Venezuala under Chavez and Moduro was not a Socialist Country but a Socialist Democracy. How the hell you get a democracy that rigs a democratic vote by the people, imprisons , tortures or kill the opposition , becomes a dictatorship that overrides the Venezuelan Assembly ?

MaizieD Fri 25-Jan-19 21:44:02

Oh for a 'like' button, trisher grin

trisher Fri 25-Jan-19 21:50:50

The problem with You Tube lemon is that it is aimed at giving a brief glimpse of something and not a detailed analysis of anything.

lemongrove Fri 25-Jan-19 21:51:53

Don’t bother POGS as the socialist sisters will always believe that Madhuro and his brutal socialist regime was right and it was only ‘the US and other factors’ that have brought Venezuela to it’s knees.Just read their frantic denials.If Madhuro was good enough for Corbyn then he’s good enough for them.

lemongrove Fri 25-Jan-19 21:52:28

Who said anything about youtube?

lemongrove Fri 25-Jan-19 21:54:23

Detailed analysis doesn’t help near starving children.

Anniebach Fri 25-Jan-19 22:04:16

Corbyn was asked about the Queens speech, working together etc, he fully agrees and this is what he is doing!

That was news to me

POGS Fri 25-Jan-19 22:10:53

trisher

I think you mean POGS not Lemon.

You are making excuses trisher .

If you watch the YouTube clip it probably says more in content and number of words than the piece you quoted from Alejandro Velasco in your post.

trisher Fri 25-Jan-19 22:14:35

Nor does a military coup as advocated by Trump, or sanctions imposed by successive US governments.

trisher Fri 25-Jan-19 22:15:36

Sorry POGS smetimes you and lemon seem interchangeable

lemongrove Fri 25-Jan-19 22:17:29

You are being an apologist trisher also MaizieD simply because Madhuro is left wing and so are you.
Try thinking outside of your chosen politics to look at what’s happening there.

lemongrove Fri 25-Jan-19 22:18:32

If that’s possible ( which I doubt.)

trisher Fri 25-Jan-19 22:21:21

I am POGS and I know that the US has unsuccesfully tried to influence and interfere in the country for a long time and has been involved in some very dodgy enterprises. If you bellieve that that didn't contribute to the present situation you are completely blinded by your bias against socialism. If you stop people paying money they owe to a country and its government you effectively make that government unable to function.

POGS Fri 25-Jan-19 22:22:45

trisher

' Sorry POGS smetimes you and lemon seem interchangeable
----
Sigh.
I always have a wry smile when I note a sarcastic apology.

Jalima1108 Fri 25-Jan-19 22:24:09

trisher grin surely not - lemongrove and POGS have totally different styles of posting!!

trisher Fri 25-Jan-19 22:26:10

Sorry lemon or POGs who probably agrees with you. Socialism offered a way forward which would have destroyed US influence in the area and it was vital that it be stopped. That doesn't mean I believe Chavez managed things properly but it isn't the fault of socialism that a leader emerged who couldn't manage the job, any more than it is the fault of democracy that a character like Trump can become President.

lemongrove Fri 25-Jan-19 22:26:17

I said on the other thread, but worth repeating, let’s hope that dear old Jeremy is never in charge here.Anyone that admires Madhuro need their heads looking at.

POGS Fri 25-Jan-19 22:28:12

trisher

You are a stuck record on US Sanctions but you say nothing on what is happening to the people under a Dictator called Moduro.

Yes I blame Chavez and Moduro, I blame Socialism that nationalised anything and everything that moved from Farming , Banks , Industry , Oil . and when the Oil prices dropped the country was importing so much it had nothing to fall back on. It could not sustain it's population as other countries did that also suffered when the price of a barrel of oil went down because those countries accepted alongside investing in people you have to invest in the economics, industrial side too. Chavez and Moduro did not understand what they were getting Venezuela caught up in because the money rolled in and whilst at the start the population had better schools , living standards, health care it was unsustainable because they dined out on the price of a barrel of oil and brought the banks, food , industrial production etc. to a level of incompetence it could not sustain the country. Their good deeds became the nightmare the Venezuelans live under today when Venezuela should still be an oil rich, wealthy country but instead it has debts.

Moduro is a bloody Dictator who is torturing, killing his own people , watching his own people starve, watching his own people die from lack of health care, watching his people flee from his Dictatorship and all those who defend the actions, at least do not say a word about the afore mentioned , are shameful apologists.

lemongrove Fri 25-Jan-19 22:28:50

Jalima the getting posters mixed up thing is just a sad stock response from those who have nothing more to say.

trisher Fri 25-Jan-19 22:28:55

Your right Jalima1108 on serious reflection I was completely wrong to attribute an evidential post to lemon. POGS I really do apologise. I've been awake since 6am with GS-it's my only excuse!

trisher Fri 25-Jan-19 22:30:34

See I'm even getting my apostrophes wrong You're right!