BREXIT: Planning for No Deal.

Maizie that's the first I've heard about Businesses have even been silenced from talking about the consequences with Non Disclosure Agreements. please tell me more.

I dont mind Leavers wallowing in their love in and celebrating pulling up the drawbridge with a greasy meal and a pint at Weatherspoons, but I do resent them insisting on taking 2/3 of the population that didn’t vote for this sh*tshow with them. They think it’s all going to be marvellous but they have absolutely no certainty in that. I’d like them to point to one benefit they personally will see out of all this complete mess. The U.K. is in political meltdown and we look like a complete bunch of numpties to those outside.

So does that make what they're saying less true, Jalima?

I think it's quite funny in sick sort of way. May has used the 'no deal' threat as a 'negotiating tool' for so long. Businesses have even been silenced from talking about the consequences with Non Disclosure Agreements. But now she's faced with the reality of 'no deal' if Parliament won't sanction her WA and she knows that it would be an absolute disaster for the UK she's running round like a headless chicken trying to blackmail Parliament into passing her deal by allowing businesses to tell the country how dreadful it would be.

If the Cooper/Boles amendment is passed and Parliament takes no deal off the table but her WA still doesn't get passed she's going to be in some bother, isn't she?

Of course, she has the option of asking for an extension to A50, but she's have to have a good reason for that, like a General election or a People's Vote, before the EU27 would agree to it. And quite frankly, I think that neither a GE or a PV would offer any clarity as there is a strong danger of another hung Parliament or an indecisive PV result.

Or she could revoke A50; which would be humiliating for her (though she doesn't really seem to mind humiliation) and wouldn't completely undo the damage of the last 2+ years but would be best for the economy.

The SVP of Airbus actually said:
An Airbus executive has exclusively revealed to Sky News that the company has been recruited by the UK government in a bid to stave off exiting from the European Union without a deal.
Airbus senior vice president Katherine Bennett told Sky News on Thursday that Downing Street had urged the aerospace giant to "make clear" the impact of crashing out of the EU without a deal.

Sky News business presenter Ian King asked Ms Bennett: "Did the UK govt put you up to this?"
She replied: "No the government didn't - I mean the government have been talking to us and other industry representatives all the time, of course.
"And we've given them lots of information about the potential impacts.

"But they did say 'could you make sure you make clear the potential impact of a 'no deal' and we're happy to do that, because no deal is potentially going to be catastrophic for us."

I thought a hog roast was pig?
I hesitated to say that Nonnie, as I thought it could be an 'in' joke
A hog is a pig over 120lbs weight.

I thought a hog roast was pig?

I am saddened that what should be a sensible debate with people offering their reasons, preferably backed up with facts, turns into winning or losing. I think we should be above such childish behaviour. This is important, it affects the future of our grandchildren, we should be sharing opinions and information in a civilised way, not hurling abuse.

On Mumsnet there is a thread entitled "Brexit for this dummy" where the OP asks "Can anyone explain it all me?". A poster named EdwinH gives a clear, fair and brilliant explanation of brexit and where we are now (it takes up the lower half of page 1 but is easy to read) . I strongly recommend that you read it GG, and anyone else who still needs information.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3488451-Brexit-for-this-dummy?pg=1

Grandad, you stay your side of the fence and I'll stay on mine. I know that the grass is never gonna (sic) be greener where you stand.
My side looks just fine and dandy.
Don't waste your time on me as I'm happy to be on the winning side.
Britain is a self-righting ship, always has been always will be.

GabriellaG54, can I suggest you review your recent posts on this thread as they are nothing short of a no substance, unintelligible rant. They give great credence to those who believe that leave campaigns case is now without any real substance in the light of all that is now happening in manufacturing and other industries due to this rediculas Brexit nonsense.

Working again today so will not in all probability be able to post further until much later in the day.

This " debate" sums up how bad the referendum was for UK. People are entrenched in their Leave or Remain bunkers hurling "facts" at one another. Unfortunately the future is largely unknown! Instead of offering the electorate a clear situation on which to vote we were asked to vote on promises which might or might not be kept as they were not in the gift of the promiser to give!
My gut instinct was to remain. It still is but, like the majority of voters of either persuasion , I cannot know if my reasons were right or wrong. Too many lies, spins, unknown quantities for anyone to be certain.

Thanks MaizieD
I already know it but glad to have your recognition. ??

*want + s

Grandad43
People like you make me laugh
Why should we explain to you our reasons for wanting out, moreover, your attempts to blame people who voted LEAVE, for purported/proposed/pie in the sky job losses, is vulgar to say the least.
You are never going to be convinced and nobody want to change your mind or give reasons.
You are standing in the wings with a loaded gun and a bag of bullets and, whatever a leaver said, you'd give them both barrels right between the eyes.
In other words, you are a rabble rouser and want an argument.
Collar some poor passer-by on the street and harass them.
You might get more than a few words.
Good luck with that.

Maybe check what the senior Vice President said in her Sky interview actually said!

Here you are GG13

Tom Enders, CEO of Airbus. On video as well as in print.

Not the SVP, admittedly but I can't see the top executives of Airbus contradicting each other in quite the same way that our Cabinet Ministers do...

A few links to chose from...

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-24/airbus-calls-brexit-process-a-disgrace-threatens-to-leave-u-k

uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-airbus/airbus-ceo-warns-of-harmful-decisions-for-jobs-in-a-no-deal-brexit-idUKKCN1PI0HS

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/airbus-ceo-warns-uk-jobs-could-be-lost-and-operations-moved-out-if-theres-a-no-deal-brexit_uk_5c4970abe4b0e1872d411eeb

It happens all the time. Robots taking over. More reliable than people and they don't strike, don't sue for harassment, don't take breaks, don't want double pay for working on Sunday...blah blah

What a delightful person you are, GG54

Grandad1943
I will carry on believing the uk is great and wave my Union Jack.
As for welsh lamb hog roast ?
I will be having a hog roast and there will be several Welsh lamb being roasted.

petra, keep on believing in Brexit against all the gathering evidence of what really is happening in Britains manufacturing and other industries in advance of a "no deal" Brexit.

You keep on waving the Union Jack, singing "Land of Hope and Glory" and preparing that "Welsh Lamb Hog Roast" you stated you were arranging for the 29th March.

I am 100% with your views on this petra and GabriellaG54.

GabriellaG54, forty-four percent of the UK's fresh, chilled and frozen food comes through the Channel ports from the EU. As has been stated and acknowledged even in government documents in recent days, that should Britain leave the European Union without a customs agreement then severe disruption will occur through those posts. That is what faces everyone in this country while a "no deal" prospect remains on the table.

GabriellaG54, your response to that situation was made clear in your post @ 21:59 today (24/01/18) being nothing but Brexiteer bluster containing no reasonable argument.

Within that, you still have no words for the many thousands who face the most severe prospect of the losing their employment because of "Brexiteer bluster, lies and financial fraud during the referendum campaign.

As the CEO of Airbus started today " Britain on its own is too small to encourage multi-national companies to locate their operations here. The world is made up of large nations and trading blocks that hold sway in location for large scale manufacturing, the higher service industries and many professions.

The above is the truth of the Brexit situation. However, those supporting Brexit without a customs agreement or any agreement whatsoever still do not believe what they witness in front of their own eyes, preferring instead to wave the Union Jack and sing "Rule Britania" with many on this forum carrying out that from the privilege of their retired armchairs with nothing to lose, or so they hope.

Should read. Fallen through the floor in China.

Grandad1943
You can keep putting that post up 'till your blue in the face.
I will never ever change my vote.
As for JLR, all I can say is: Brexit is a very nice excuse for laying people off, just as demand for their vehicles has fallen through the floor.
I think you'd be surprised at how many of the great unwashed see right through it. Exactly the same as when Ford instigated strikes when they had too many cars.
The blue collar workers aren't quite as stupid as you think.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it...outside, of course.

...and, far from being shamed, I'm very proud indeed to back Britain's exit from the thumbscrews of the EU, and welcome everyone who wants to make a positive contribution to our economy and support our laws.

Could, might, prospect of...nothing concrete. All supposition.
75% if not more of UK infrastructure is owned by foreign companies.
Most of our food, clothes, household items and vehicles are manufactured abroad.
To say we are lost or persona non grata if we leave, is to seriously underestimate the grit of British people everywhere.
You are a disgrace for even thinking that we, who are standing up for Britain and our farming and our manufacturing and our talents, and bettering ourselves on the world stage, are not thinking about job losses which have not yet occured.. That is PROJECT FEAR writ large.
We want to put money in our own pockets instead of feathering the nests of people who refuse to have their accounts audited.
We'd want to put the GREAT back in Brit*****ain.

I will again post what I started earlier in the vain hope that those who support Brexit (and those that wish to jest about the situation) will be shamed into responding

Re-post begins here:-

I asked those on this forum who support Brexit earlier on in this thread, what they say to those who now find their employment severely threatened by the UK leaving the EU on a "no deal" exit.

Not one forum member has stated anything in the above, even when every day now we witness company after company relocating from Britain to other countries or warning that there will be a need to do so.

I believe the above demonstrates the complete uncaring selfish attitude of those that support Brexit, with many on this forum being retired armchair risk takers. Those people seem to have a sole wish to wave the Union Jack and sing "Rule Britania" on March the twenty-ninth without a single thought for how many are losing their jobs and through that their homes and family well being.

Disgusting.