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So-called ‘migrant crisis’

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winterwhite Tue 01-Jan-19 18:27:15

Hope haven’t missed a thread on the appalling public reaction to this humanitarian problem. In particular, as the papers point out today, these 200+ crossing the channel are about the roll of a small primary school, over two months. What crisis?
And then, they are people whose livlihoods have been destroyed in their own countries by destructive military action, in which our arms trade has played no small part. Who do we think we are to behave like this?
What evidence is there that these refugees intend to ‘live on benefits’, beyond a brief resettlement period? or that those coming ashore on the Kent coast are any threat to anyone? I have seen none.
These crossings are of course very dangerous but public opinion countenances many more dangerous activities. And if loss of life was a prime concern, why remove patrol boats from areas where the problem is far greater?
International movement of peoples in response to major economic and political upheaval is a massive problem. Not to be solved by this sort of populist anger.

oldbatty Wed 02-Jan-19 18:18:17

“I want to make people understand that boxing ourselves into tiny cubbies based on class, race, ethnicity, religion—anything, really—comes from a poverty of mind, a poverty of imagination. The world is dull and cruel when we isolate ourselves.”
― Clemantine Wamariya, The Girl Who Smiled Beads: A Story of War and What Comes After

notanan2 Wed 02-Jan-19 18:11:48

I think you would soon be flagged up as suspect, if, as an Iranian you attempted to buy an inflatable in Calais or boulogne.

By who?
You can buy boats on gumtree and ebay. Its like buying a car. Noone cares who they sell their used car to.

oldbatty Wed 02-Jan-19 18:08:59

Possibly you have been treated by a medic of Iranian or Iraqi heritage, bet you weren't so sniffy then.

mcem Wed 02-Jan-19 17:37:10

ellan you referred to a group of people on another thread, using that wide-reaching term "they" without being specific about their origins. Is this a more honest approach or are you just being less 'subtle' this time? You didn't come back to clarify that post, did you?
That post was deleted as being racist so can't help wondering............

Nonnie Wed 02-Jan-19 17:00:46

oldbatty glad I am not alone. The other countries I could understand.

Nonnie Wed 02-Jan-19 16:59:44

petra I disagree. I think those selling the boats will know that whoever is buying them may well be doing so for trafficking reasons but they are still selling them. Even if the Iranians didn't buy the boat themselves they could easily get someone else to do it for them. It was on the BBC I heard they were doing this, I didn't invent it.

oldbatty Wed 02-Jan-19 16:44:10

It is complex, worrying and has been handled very badly by so many people.

oldbatty Wed 02-Jan-19 16:43:28

NO excuse me ,but to assume the entire population of two massive countries hate and detest the UK is thick.

Jane10 Wed 02-Jan-19 16:41:08

oldbatty ca' canny! You're obviously disappointed that not everyone agrees with you or necessarily shares your beliefs on the matter but that doesn't make us 'thick'! It's an extremely complex area. There are no easy answers.

oldbatty Wed 02-Jan-19 16:39:41

Nonnie, yes I wondered about Pakistan too.

oldbatty Wed 02-Jan-19 16:38:27

so the entire population of Iraq and Iran hate and detest our nation

How thick are you?

petra Wed 02-Jan-19 16:37:00

GG54
I knew that didn't look right grin

GabriellaG54 Wed 02-Jan-19 16:33:57

Nigh on impossible wink

petra Wed 02-Jan-19 16:29:45

jane10
I would imagine that you have to have a job to show that you can support yourself. I would think it's ny on impossible.

EllanVannin Wed 02-Jan-19 16:18:31

oldbatty, Iranians and Iraqi's

oldbatty Wed 02-Jan-19 16:11:15

“I've seen enough to know that you can be a human with a mountain of resources and you can be a human with nothing, and you can be a monster either way.”

from The Girl Who Smiled Beads.

Jane10 Wed 02-Jan-19 16:06:02

No Petra I don't mean the Eastern Mediterranean. I mean the countries if the Middle and Far East. Why don't African Muslims make for Muslim countries?

oldbatty Wed 02-Jan-19 16:03:27

They hate and detest our nation

Ellen, would it be possible please to clarify who are the " they" in this statement and how you know this ?

Much appreciated.

petra Wed 02-Jan-19 15:45:02

nonnie
I think you would soon be flagged up as suspect, if, as an Iranian you attempted to buy an inflatable in Calais or boulogne.

Anniebach Wed 02-Jan-19 15:38:59

I wondered the same petra

petra Wed 02-Jan-19 15:34:20

annie
Who is going to support them, the family?
Where are they going to live, we have a massive housing shortage.
Plus, ( going down the legal root) how are we going to check that these people are who they say they are. These countries don't have the IT systems that we in the west do.

Nonnie Wed 02-Jan-19 15:22:09

Thanks OldWoman. I'm not nautical and live a long way from the sea!

Surely they are not that expensive? If, say, 10 asylum seekers pay the traffickers £4000 each, it would be cheaper for them to buy a boat themselves? As I said earlier, I did hear that they were doing so but then it was no longer mentioned in the news.

petra Wed 02-Jan-19 15:21:42

Jane10 Are you talking about the eastern med?
As you know Italy won't take anymore. They won't get a warm welcome from countries along the Adriatic coast. Greece is full so wouldn't expect a welcome there.
That only leaves Turkey. 'If' they are allowed in they will be put into camps.

humptydumpty Wed 02-Jan-19 15:20:40

I would imagine refugees from war may not have, or be in a position to acquire, a passport hence cannot fly?

Oldwoman70 Wed 02-Jan-19 15:17:49

Nonnie a RIB is a rigid-hulled inflatable boat