Revoke Article 50

Granny Gravy a quick trawl to follow up your post on McDonnell's comments re TM threw up nothing. Where may I read more please?

It was people's assembly speaker Weyman Bennett from Stand up to Racism.
Owen Jones and John McDonnell both spoke after him at the rally and there is video evidence of JM applauding his speech.

How can offering the people the opportunity to vote not be an exercise in democracy?

Because democracy came to a halt on 23rd June 2016. varian.

Is the same people demanding a general election who are saying we shouldn't have a new vote?

Not exactly, Nonnie. Like Brexit, it's all very confused

One practical reason for going for revocation of Article 50, which could be done relatively quickly, is that there isn't much time left for the other options (ie GE or second referendum.)
Does a 'people's vote' mean the same as a second referendum?

Theresa May will today tell MPs that a People’s Vote would “break faith” with the public, do "irreparable damage to the integrity of our politics" and “further divide our country at the very moment we should be working to unite it."

When the prime minister talks about breaking faith with the people and damaging the integrity of politics, doesn’t she realise that the breach of faith and lack of integrity started in 2016? And isn’t she aware that, despite her promise to be “straight” with the public, she has failed to fess up to the dismal choices the country now faces?

Even now, May is refusing to bring her miserable deal to Parliament - leading to fears that she wants to “run down the clock”, leaving MPs with no alternative to her deal apart from crashing out (see below). If that really is her plan, faith in politics will indeed be terribly damaged.

www.peoples-vote.uk/monday_17_december_2018

Theresa May's use of the type of inflammitory language we might expect from the Daily Express is highly irresponsible.

The 2016 referendum, as we all now know was ill-conceived, fraudulent and won by lies.

Decent people belived these lies and thought that the country could be better off outside of the EU when in fact the opposite is true.

We can never get a better deal by leaving than we have now. There is no "have cake and eat it brexit", no "sunny uplands brexit" no "rainbows and unicorns brexit" no "easiest deal in history brexit". Thjese folk were lied to and deceived.

Any kind of brexit would be seriously bad news - not fake news - fact.

Oh Maizie, it wasn't a serious question!

The choice facing the UK is one between the Withdrawal Agreement (perhaps with a tweaked Political Declaration signalling a clearer path to a particular future relationship, and/or fresh ‘assurances’ about the temporary nature of the backstop), no deal, and revocation of the Article 50 notification.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2018/12/21/the-time-has-come-to-revoke-article-50/

It is by no means certain that a "no deal brexit" is scheduled to happen if TM's deal is voted down.

This academic paper addresses the question of whether, as a matter of law, Brexit is now unstoppable, without the agreement of the remaining 27 members states of the European Union. In other words, what would happen if, on a date before March 29, 2019, Parliament were to conclude that Britain should not leave the European Union, despite notice of its intention to do so having been given by the prime minister on March 28, 2017?

It finds that-

" a further act of Parliament, not just an indicative vote, is needed before a constitutionally valid decision can be taken to leave the European Union. If no such statutory authority is given before March 29, 2019, no constitutionally valid decision to withdraw has been made, and, in any event, the government could withdraw the notification of an intention to leave the European Union and decide to remain."

www.cigionline.org/publications/brexit-can-united-kingdom-change-its-mind?gclid=Cj0KCQiApvbhBRDXARIsALnNoK2V0c_V_OZtdGreYP9TcEfvdbqFP4oE6uTJCDvE5NPdr4H7v2SnOgsaAjqmEALw_wcB

Grannygravy the Scottish referendum on DEVOLUTION in 1979 ,We WON by a small majority but because the rules had been changed to include ALL the electorate not just those who voted ..some in fact who had died ...we lost and didn't get devolution for another 20 years .
Westminster government do what they want when it suits THEM .Brexit suits them for a variety of reasons all to do with THEIR way of life,hiding their money instead of keeping to EU laws etc .But hey WE didn't vote for teh tories we just get what England votes for ALWAYS.

paddyann, not sure why your post was directed at me. I have never commented on Scottish politics as I have hardly any knowledge of your system?

You said when was a vote ever ignored...I gave you an answer.Heres some more.On EVERY one of these elections we voted agianst tory rule...we got them every time .
Scotland said NO to the #Tories in:

1959
1964
1966
1970
1974 (twice)
1979
1983
1987
1992
1997
2001
2005
2010
2015
2017

Now if we say NO to Brexit you might understand how WE feel being ignored decade after decade after decade ..Welcome to UK government that cares nothing about anyone but themselves

Thank you for the clarification paddyann, it must be very frustrating for the Scottish electorate.

It's possible that both Scotland and N.Ireland will secede from the UK, and remain in the EU. I don't blame them if they do.
Not sure about Wales.

Didn't Wales vote massively to leave? I think I read that they had the biggest EU subsidies as well.

I don't drink much or often but think I may pour myself a rather large one at 7 pm, enough to last until after the 10pm news.

Result of defeat by 230 the worst for any govt in mors than 100 years

Yvette Cooper mentioned Article 50 - either delay or revoke.

I won't vote again, Democracy means nothing. Good news for all those that opposed us leaving, UK can now help France rebuild itself as they are destroying everything fighting each other and need our cash, we are the only country with any cash.

If we get the opportunity to vote on the deal all democrats should vote.

It seems tbat some who voted fo leave when they had no idea what sort of deal could be negotiated might be so disappointed that they can't have cake and eat it that they will stamp their feet and refuse to take part because they are not democrats.

Why vote again, go through all the ‘we want a peoples vote’ again

How else can we move on?

Revoke article 50 and forget the whole thing.

The H of C voted 498 to 114 to approve the second reading of the European Union (notification of withdrawal) Act 2017 which allowed TM to invoke Article 50 unconditionally.

Both sides of the house have to take their share of the responsibility for invoking Article 50.

It cannot be revoked without a vote.