Can this government really continue?

Of course Labour will win the next GE because whatever happens about Brexit a lot of people will be unhappy and will blame the Conservatives for it. I keep saying that it is the civil servants who will have done all the negotiations and they would be the same whichever party was in charge.

I watched the Brexit drama this week and came away with the impression that the Leave vote was simply better at campaigning than the Remain. I think that was probably true and it was the same with the GE. Labour targeted the young on social media, they didn't target me. They said they would make university education cheaper which not only appealed to the 18 year olds but all their families and parents of younger children. The Conservatives were complacent and their campaign was not as good.

Many people vote according to the headlines and don't give it much more thought than that. Some vote as their parents voted or according to what they think their 'class' is. I believe very few vote altruistically because if they did the LibDems would have got more votes as they were promising to put 1p on taxes for the NHS.

I think the media should be more challenging about the outrageous claims made by politicians. That is the only way many people will see through the falsehoods.

Regarding your above post @ 16:21 today, many surveys have demonstrated that it is young families with bills to pay, mortgages and rents to meet by way of insecure employment conditions are the people who supported the Labour Party at the last general election. In that, the same would in all likelihood take place again in any general election called in the near future I feel.

Apologies above should read Day6 at the beginning of my above post.

Would someone like to comment on why a GE would solve the Brexit problem? Unless the whole silly idea of leaving the EU is kicked into the long grass and left to die.

Beammeup JC says that if there was a GE he would win and would negotiate a better deal. Pigs flying....... I am sure the same civil servants would be doing the negotiations as have been doing it for the last 2 years.

According to today's Times, machinations are in progress to bugger Brexit. If any one tells me again it was "the will of the People" I shall scream; yeah 11% of the Population and it was Advisory. Give it up and grow up.

So notanan no comment on the money which has been given to private companies at the expense of the NHS?
If we must look at Brexit surely anyone would negotiate better than a government that mucked up universal credit and that never listens.

How could Corbyn negotiation better? Any comeback and we would hear ‘ I was there but I don’t think I was involved ‘

I don't think there has ever been in history a governnment that was taken to court and lost because it insisted on introducing a system of benefits that it had been warned wouldn't work properly. The costs of the ruling and its application will be huge because each case will have to be adjusted individually by someone, because the system in use can't do it. It's not just terrible for the individuals involved. It's the biggest bloody cock up ever, but never mind target Corbyn instead. How can anyone support this bunch of muppets?

Aren't most young people socialists until they have responsibilities and bills to pay?

Sweeping generalisation there, Day6?

'Responsibilities' didn't make me into a tory. Nor did they change the thinking of many of my contemporaries. They still vote Labour.

So notanan no comment on the money which has been given to private companies at the expense of the NHS?
I have commented on NHS pivitisation

notanan You claimed They are the ones that set it up to fail, ripe for privatisation. They ran it into the ground with wastefulness so that it looked unsustainable when the Tories inherited it back from them
Which is of course personal opinion with no actual figures or evidence. In any case if you are against privatisation and really believe in the NHS and that it is safe in Tory hands surely this Conservative Gov should have reversed that trend and kept it a public service?
Instead as I posted at 13.51 they have overseen more privatisation than ever and more is in the pipeline. Why is it wrong for Labour to lay the grounds for privatisation (although I don't believe they did) but right for the Tories to privatise?

Are you reading a different thread? Where have I said that the NHS is in safe hands under the Tories? I have been clear over and over that I am no big fan of the Tories!

Are you that far gone down the JC rabbit hole that you think that the only people who would criticise JC are die hard life long Tory adorers?

The Torys are not "safe hands". They're awful, however the alternatives are more awful making the Tories the best of a bad lot!

Mmm so much for not making personal remarks!!
I don't know (or particularly care) which party you support (or not as the case may be)
However there seems to be a lot of Labour condemnation and very little Tory criticism in your posts. As Labour have committed to stopping privatisation I would have thought this was something you would support.

Luckygirl I cannot vote for a party led by Corbyn et al just to get out another party.

It is a dilemma

Privatisation of the NHS does not mean it would not still be free at the point of contact to all.
However, some privatisation in other fields has recently proved to fail catastrophically probably due to lack of stringent regulations and lack of vigilance - and sheer greed.

However there seems to be a lot of Labour condemnation and very little Tory criticism
I have posted several times that I think the Tories are awful.

But you carry on writing off everyone who is labour critical as a Tory toff.....

But we have to.....otherwise we just get more of the same and we owe it to those at the bottom of the heap not to let that happen. And we owe it to all our public services to make sure that the policies that have sabotaged them are knocked on the head.

Project Fear is well and truly on the advance as regards a Corbyn government, but it is not real. Any labour PM would find him or herself in the same bind as TM is in - bolshy backbenchers who rein them in.

What I fear more is the collapse of our public services and the dangerous effects of condemning great swathes of our fellow country people to lives of misery.

The above was an answer to Jalima

As Labour have committed to stopping privatisation I would have thought this was something you would support.

Thats nice in theory
However they are not offering any alternative to privitisation, i.e. an opposition party that could efficiently run the NHS as a public body.

So they would have no privitisation of the NHS because it just wouldnt exit! They would put the final nail in it!

And by the way privatisation is a broad church.

A local maternity unit currently has a private contract that provides upskilling to the NHS midwives so they can offer women more choices.

However under LABOUR the provision of cleaning staff was a private contact. The contract was so BADLY administered that the cleaners could only clean the toilets at fixed intervals and were not allowed to clean them inbetween no matter how bad they got at busy times

So there's privatisation and there's privatisation...

Can anyone join this bunfight?
I wonder how many of us support their MP or belong to a political party and are working for change and to improve both the system and the policies?
We hardly have any Tories in the Scottish government but do we have better health and education systems? Marginally yes I believe we are slightly better off as regards waiting lists and schools than the rest of the UK . Knife crime is down and we got our famous baby boxes!!
But when things go wrong the blame is always with the others either predecessors or Westminster.
Imagine if we blamed someone else, like our parents, for all our ills.
Does anyone still support the current Tory government? I never did.

I can't see the point of another general election at this point. Not just because of the lack of real leaders.
I think Parliament should continue to debate Brexit as they're doing now. And hopefully come to some more sensible proposals. Ideally shelving Article 50 for the time being.
Perhaps in the process better leaders will come forward. There are some good candidates, especially on the left.

Sorry, Luckygirl, I am willing to vote Labour but not until the incompetent Corbyn and the vile McDonnell are kicked into touch.

However under LABOUR the provision of cleaning staff was a private contact.

I worked in hospitals in the 70s.The first 'tranche of privatisation' was under Thatcher and was the 'hotel services'. i.e. Cleaning, catering, laundry etc. I'd be very surprised if the cleaning hadn't been privatised long before Labour came to power.
The government doesn't actually run the NHS itself, you know. It's all delegated to Health Service professionals and private contractors. Conditions at individual units are down to local management, not the government (of either colour)