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Who will come crawling out of the woodwork?

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Lily65 Tue 15-Jan-19 20:05:42

It strikes me the present disarray is an ideal opportunity for a person or persons to make a move and further their political ambitions.

I wonder who?

Lollypolly Thu 17-Jan-19 10:21:50

Granny23 agree completely. It's disappointing but the only way forward for Scotland.
Scotland has been completely ignored by Westminster for far too long now and I truly hope that we achieve an independent Scotland in Europe very soon. I lived in England for 10 years and still have many good friends there a lot of who support independence. Perhaps we could work better together as two separate nations, England and Scotland both controlling their own borders, own laws etc etc.

Momof3 Thu 17-Jan-19 10:23:05

Scotland overwhelmingly voted to remain and indeed I know people who last time voted NO to Scottish independence and because of the Brexit vote would this time vote YES.

paddyann Thu 17-Jan-19 10:27:54

kim for the MOMENT Scotland is the second largest nation in the UK ...we should have been involved in these discussions from the start.Apart from anything else who do you think is paying the bills in England ...since Thatchers days Scottish oil...and it IS Scottish ( CHECK OUT THE MAPS OF COASTAL WATERS) has been propping up the UK economy .Can I just put this here .Scotland didn't vote for the tory government ...but we got one

we didn't vote for tory governments since 1955

Scotland said NO to the #Tories in:

1959
1964
1966
1970
1974 (twice)
1979
1983
1987
1992
1997
2001
2005
2010
2015
2017

That is a very flawed sort of democracy in anyones books .

Kim19 Thu 17-Jan-19 10:31:23

Acknowledged pa but isn't it the system that has to be changed first?

luluaugust Thu 17-Jan-19 10:37:11

The trouble is the 'system' can't be changed in time to deal with the present problem so little time left to 29th March. Bemused by the rather malevolent look JC gave TM after the vote yesterday and her 'put that in your pipe' look she gave in return. If Boris loses another couple of stone I reckon he'll be in.

starbox Thu 17-Jan-19 10:40:40

Absolutely, JenniferEccles- Nigel Farage is what's wanted! But as that can't happen, will have to be Boris with Rees-mogg as deputy. And a No-Deal Brexit (here's hoping!)

SunnySusie Thu 17-Jan-19 10:42:40

luluagust! grin

Charly Thu 17-Jan-19 10:43:00

Brexit annoys me on an almost daily basis, mainly due to entrenched stupidity I hear on MSM.

But if decent compromise can be reached in p'ment, and how refreshing to the occasional proper grown-up!, then I'd calm down and get on with the rest of my life.

4allweknow Thu 17-Jan-19 10:43:53

All the hype from Nicola Sturgeon is so repetitive it is now boring. Scotland seems to totally miss that the country is in the UK and the Brexit referendum applied to all. Mr Salmond in his role as an M.P ( think of all the parliamentary pensions he will have) has too great an influence on the 1st Minister who is basically just carrying out his policies. Of course Mr Salmond has a huge amount of influence on the SNP MPs who will vote against anything that doesn't benefit Scotland and Scotland alone. The people saw sense last Indy Ref, knowing that oil is not the saviour (as has been shown) it was played up to be then, the economy is not strong enough to support the nation and growth. Brexit No Deal would be a good start to testing Scotland on going Independent - no support from EU, then no support from Westminster, why are they worried?

ReadyMeals Thu 17-Jan-19 10:46:58

Michael Gove please. He has been my personal hero ever since he scuppered Johnson last time

Grampie Thu 17-Jan-19 10:56:21

David Miliband is waiting to be invited.

But Momentum will not invite him to lead our socialist revolution that may come out of our Brexit chaos.

Jezzer is already in their hands.

123coco Thu 17-Jan-19 11:00:40

Boris is slimmer and tidier because of his 30 yr old lover ! I hope his wife takes him to the cleaners

123coco Thu 17-Jan-19 11:03:41

David Milliband is better than anyone in the H of C at moment. He’s known around the world because of his work as foreign secretary and he is very highly thought of in his capacity in his job in New York. He has to have a seat of course. But hopefully soon

Margs Thu 17-Jan-19 11:08:40

Anne Widdecombe to make a comeback AND challenge Theresa May for the leadership? She wouldn't mince her words, wouldn't kow-tow to Juncker and co., wouldn't put up with the pantomime antics of Boris, Jacob R.M. and wouldn't take any high-handed sh*t from Bercow either.

Bring her on!

Jaycee5 Thu 17-Jan-19 11:11:30

123coco I don't think David Milliband has a chance. He has removed entry level jobs at the charity he works for and replaced them with unpaid internships, while earning £450,000 himself.
He walked out on his constituents once. Why would he be trusted not to do it himself?
He is not a particularly impressive speaker so I am not sure what people are seeing in him. I think he is an empty vessel with an attractive shell.

ReadyMeals Thu 17-Jan-19 11:11:45

Talking of Bercow just why must he keep hamming it up so much? That silly growly roar he uses just to say their names when it's their turn. He should go on the stage when he finally leaves.

Margs Thu 17-Jan-19 11:14:04

They don't half take the mickey out of Mister Speaker Bercow on R4 "DeadRingers".......he deserves it!

karinu Thu 17-Jan-19 11:23:30

Brilliant , varian ! I’d love that but sadly, like so many great options, it will remain a dream ☁️☁️

sandelf Thu 17-Jan-19 11:28:28

Well I support May - she is doing a good job. Had to go through this phase to get 'our' governors to take a serious look at what they want for the country. Until now they have never accepted the referendum. God save us all from 'charismatic leaders' - no no no.

sluttygran Thu 17-Jan-19 11:32:18

It seems that the future welfare of the country has become a secondary consideration in this internecine struggle for power. We appear to be halfway over the precipice with no sign of anyone having a plan for our rescue.
It’s all very well for the Brexiteers to say “We won!”, but what did they win, we ask ourselves? There appears to be no evident benefit at all - unless you can’t live without a blue passport!
I admit to being one of the ‘dont knows’ at the time of the referendum, but surely everyone can see that to leave at the moment, with no deal and no proper plans, is the height of folly.

On other matters, like most of us Gransnetters, I’m well stricken in years, and have lived through many Governments of various shades and persuasions. On the whole they weren’t too bad, any extremism from either side being rapidly shouted down.

Unfortunately with the present mob we have graft and corruption on an industrial scale, the London property market has become the money-laundering centre of the world, and the nation’s wealth is being stashed offshore to evade rightful taxation. Rather than being governed by elected politicians, we appear to have a de facto ruler in the grubby shape of Rupert Murdoch and his gutter press.
As well as this corporate greed and crime, we have poverty and deprivation at a level unseen since the 1930s, education is deprived of funding, our welfare system is broken and we are losing our beloved NHS.

I am very afraid for the future, and particularly concerned for my children and grandchildren.
Those who are reasonably well off are threatened, the less prosperous are surely doomed, and only the über wealthy seem to be thriving.

Who is to blame for all this, and what is the cure?
I’ll leave you to think on this and shall keep my rather radical opinions to myself!

hapgran Thu 17-Jan-19 11:41:24

I think I am still in denial as I am pinning my hopes on a second referendum. Some wise words on here though...

Barmeyoldbat Thu 17-Jan-19 11:44:26

L.ovely post Sluttygran, couldn't agree more. Also what has Boris losing weight got to do with being a good leader may I ask. I expect his brain has shrunk as well as the rest of him

montymops Thu 17-Jan-19 11:49:21

Yes I rather agree with Varian about the choice of decent politicians- however the suggestions by others of Esther McVey and Ian Duncan- Smith are a no- no - neither has the necessary brains and McVey just tosses her blonde locks and thinks of herself - it’s all about her - while IDS bores for England -

Craftycat Thu 17-Jan-19 11:49:25

Sorry Marg -Ann Widdicombe is far too busy being a 'personality' after doing Strictly & playing Panto in Redhill!
Apparently she is very good in it too.
I can't think of anyone I'd trust with the job right now but I do really think Teresa May is doing as good a job as anyone else could have done.

annifrance Thu 17-Jan-19 11:52:22

Well said sluttygran, and Varian you make my heart sing, can we add David Milliban into the mix. JRM, Give and Boris deserve to be shot at dawn.

If there is a second referendum whichever way it goes there is still the immovable object of a deal. Plus .ca change. I despair, for the whole world actually.