To quote the Sex Pistols.
We Brits tend to be a mild mannered bunch, unlike the French, many of whom are now sporting yellow vests and protesting in large numbers regarding Macron's political decisions. He has failed the public, and they don't like it.
Our politicians, not all of them, but many of them, are attempting to thwart democracy in stopping Brexit or finding ways to tie us to Brussels indefinitely. Many represent people who voted - overwhelmingly in their constituencies - to leave the EU, but it does not seem to concern them. and they are doing their utmost to keep us tied to Brussels.
From the article
With the rise of the new political classes, a different political dynamic is emerging.
Drawn from similar backgrounds (often middle-class, university educated, with little prior career experience outside politics itself), members of parliament increasingly sound alike, think alike and act alike
The evolution of a monochrome political establishment is producing a radical disconnect, which the Brexit denouement is throwing into stark relief.
What we appear to be witnessing is the corrupt mutation of the notion of the representation of the people in parliament, into _the substitution of the will of the people by the interests of the political class_
*We're entering the realms, no less, of state capture*"
It makes for very interesting, and disturbing reading, whether you are a Leaver or Remainer.
It's written by Professor David Betz is Professor of War in the Modern World, Department of War Studies, King’s College, University of London
and
Professor Michael Rainsborough is Professor of Strategic Theory, and Head of the Department of War Studies, King’s College, University of London.
Their argument is, "for many years now, governments, along with a significant fraction of the population, have calculated that the bulk of the people can either be kept in a state of apathy or bullied into submission."
Time to don yellow vests in the UK? Or do we roll over and die?
briefingsforbrexit.com/the-british-road-to-dirty-war/
I just do not think insulting people is going to help anything.
There have been and no doubt will continue to be insults hurled from both sides, which only serve to divide us even more.
What is needed is for a deep breath and for everyone to realise that we are all human, we all want the best for our families and Country, unfortunately we have differing views on what "the best" actually is / can be.
I take things very seriously, Nonnie. I am appalled at the way the Country is being run. Politicians who care more for their party than the future of Britain.
But Beammeup having a closed mind and deciding that anyone who voted Leave is like NF is just wrong. I agree about the politicians but not that all Leavers are unintelligent. I don't agree with them and think many are simply looking at what is wrong with the EU but not at what we lose by leaving. I wish everyone would look at all sides of the argument and then decide rather than 'I voted xxxx and am sticking with it'. Be open minded.
Nonnie, well said ???
Beammeupscottie
"You know what. I can forgive the unintelligent for voting out, but I can't forgive the well-educated; the well-off; the elderly Tory shire voter."
If the well educated , well off ,elderly are all Tories who voted Leave prey do tell where the unintelligent, poor,
voters abode ?---
" If I know someone has voted out, I won't have them in my house. They are just Nigel Farage in another guise."
Could we assume from your other posts you would not allow anybody into your house who did not vote for an Independent Scotland too?
Problem is we all have cognitive bias, and seek out "facts" which support our views, sometimes quite unconsciously, I know I do. I think it is so difficult to look at all sides of the argument, but the first step is an awareness of our bias, and trying not to close our minds to alternative viewpoints. Difficult.
POGS I can forgive the unintelligent, they can't help that. However I do think that there are some intelligent people who should know better who show their ignorance.
Well said Lazigirl
Nonnie
However I do think that there ar some intelligent people who should know better who show their ignorance
I would be very interested if you would please expand on this statement to understand your reasoning.
Goodness me the near hysteria and doom mongering on this thread is quite astounding.
Were we on the brink of a nuclear war or waiting at the gates of Belsen, i could inderstand this but for goodness sake get a grip!
UK significantly worse off under all Brexit scenarios – official forecast
Analysis produced by range of government departments suggests GDP could fall by 10.7%
www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/28/uk-significantly-worse-off-under-all-brexit-scenarios-official-forecast-gdp
Nonnie
" POGS I can forgive the unintelligent, they can't help that. However I do think that there are some intelligent people who should know better who show their ignorance."---
Nonnie if you haven't gathered by now calling voters who Leave unintelligent is like a Red Rag to a Bull to me.
You are making the case by using snobbery about the intelligence of voters.
I have to laugh because according to your description of voters and that of many others who ' define ' how and why people voted to suit their view I must be so intelligent because I voted Remain .
Not all leave voters are racists, but we can be pretty sure that all the racists voted Leave.
Not all leave voters are stupid, but we can be pretty sure that most of the stupid people voted Leave.
The leave voters who are neither stupid nor racist have a lot of explaining to do.
Varian your post of 19.15 is quite unbelievable, why can you not realise that people are entitled to their opinions without being labelled.
POGS
With some posters snobbery is so ingrained that they fail to see that it screams out to us the readers.
If you are in any doubt GG, read my post again. I specifically said that not all Leave voters are racist and not all Leave voters are stupid. If you are a Leave voter, I do not label you. It is for you to decide whether you are able to justify your wish to damage our country, because you are neither racist nor stupid.
Varian
So you keep repeating but your posts and the underlying nasty tone of them fools nobody, accept those who agree with your view of course of which there are sadly many.
"So one rule for the person who knows everything"
That was YOUR slur nonnie
I don't know anything. I didn't claim to, but I do not think it will be the disaster all-knowing Remainers claim it will be either. I don't know what will happen when we leave the EU, and neither do you/Remainers.
We haven't had the Brexit 'experience' before so we are all going into the unknown - ie: not known until plans are revealed once we leave the EU. It depends on the withdrawal agreement as to the arrangements we'll make in April 2019.
I have faith we will thrive. I read articles from that viewpoint too, written by people with more knowledge of Europe and economics than I have. They are optimistic.
Varian if it makes you happy to post negative and what can only be construed as racist posts so be it.
I am of the opinion that blind faith in one point of view is destructive. You only have to look at The Palace of Westminster for verification of that.
Continually attacking sections of the community solves nothing and achieves even less.
Beammeupscottie what a nasty , disparaging post.
You mean these little Englanders are like the black Professor of economics (PhD( I worked with who voted to Leave the EU? Or the disabled ex Head Teacher who fought in the war and now volunteers five days a week to raise money for the Syrian refugees....Or the local Asian shopkeeper who works as a community policeman - works mainly around the youth clubs with disaffected youth.
You mean those sorts of Little Englanders? Or do you only see knuckle-draggers?
POGS sorry, would you like me to give you the dictionary definition of unintelligent? People can't help being unintelligent which is why I don't blame them for not understanding some things. What on earth do you think is snobbish about that? It is not. I do find all this twisting of what people say very silly and it has the opposite effect from what you intend.
Please clarify where you think I ^ have to laugh because according to your description of voters and that of many others who ' define ' how and why people voted to suit their view I must be so intelligent because I voted Remain^ Yet another twisting of what I said.
^ "So one rule for the person who knows everything"^ more obfuscation because you have only posted part of what I said. It was clear that I was saying you had a different rule for me than for yourself.
Come on be fair, don't interpret my posts for your agenda.
We live in a very polarised country, and Brexit has given some free rein to abuse others who do not agree with their point of view. A few enjoy the excitement of the fray but putting down others in a derogotary way just damages the cause which is being promoted. I have a great temptation to join in sometimes because I am quite politically active, but it doesn't change minds so is a waste of time.
Some more reasons why we should be worried about Brexit:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47083214 Third of UK businesses considering moving abroad.
Also Japan has agreed a great trade deal with the EU in which the EU can sell their wines with no tariff and Japan will sell their cars to the EU with no tariff. Yes, they have said they will try to do a trade deal with the UK. Suggestions please for what we have to offer instead of our wine?
So the people in the North of England and South Wales are unintellegent and racist ?
I have no idea whether the people in the North of England and South Wales are unintellegent and racist any more than any other area of the UK Annie. I wasn't referring to which way people voted. I was responding to another post explaining that if someone is unintelligent they cannot help it so should not be blamed, whatever they are being blamed for. On the opposite side I suggested that intelligent people can be blamed for whatever. That applies to people whichever way they voted!
As for a third of businesses considering relocating due to Brexit only 92% of British Companies currently import / export to Europe?Just another set of statistics being manipulated for the masses.
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