Fraudulent referendum

Today, a highly respected National Bus Leader said

“A disruptive no deal Brexit is the biggest threat businesses have faced since 1939, many are threatened with extinction" according to Ian Wright, CEO of the Food and Drink Federation. "I don't think people are taking this seriously"

Surely we cannot allow our prejudices to ignore such warnings?

MarthaBeck - simple you say?!? wow- you really have no idea.

And who would decide - would 'we' (whomever we is - I guess England!?!) 'give them up/throw them out' - or would they decide for themselves.

Background or context

Martha I don't think your very simplistic explanation helps at all I'm afraid.
You totally ignore all that is significant in Irish history and don't give any background of context.

paddy that's why I bit my tongue and asked 2 genuine questions. I honestly don't believe that nonnie does understand the history of Ireland and the implications of her "suggestion".
Maybe she needs a genuine explanation or the opportunity to do a bit of research.

Jura2, it’s very simple, NI would accede to Eire by leaving the Union under international law. As such a now United Ireland would automatically be a member of the EU.

Prejudice built on lies and misinformation is like a disease that is easily spread. However, if crimes are committed and subjected to law, then upheld. Is justice served if those committing the crime benefit from their actions?

Scary stuff

Oh my god,"GIVE IT AWAY" you do know that the arrogance of Westminster thinking it owns the other countries in the union is a huge part of the problem.Nobody owns NI ,it was filched as part of a deal ...nobody owns Scotland the people are sovereign .If and when either decides to WALK away from the UK its their choice ...no one else's

Still wondering who is the "we" that can give away NI.
Seriously and without being rude, do you know anything about Irish history?

Some are suggesting that NI and Eire become one. I think that would only happen if we gave it away

If we gave NI away
What on earth does that mean? Who's "we" and who has the right to give away any part of the UK? And to whom would it be given?

Am I right in thinking that the majority of jobs in NI are in the public sector? I think it was an Ulsterman who told me that. What would happen to all those jobs if we gave NI away?

That is the way it is.

I just cannot think of any sound reason that Ulster Irish are better off as part of a UK especially now that Ireland is not any longer under the heel of the Roman church, and also especially now that the UK is in this fearsome mess about Brexit.

The Ulster Unionists who prefer to remain British are mostly people who view the Republicans as inferior persons. If I were an Ulsterwoman I'd not want to be associated with any religious not cases.

As for the merge between Ireland and NI- I have to say, from a distance- that would be great and solve many problems.

But would they belong to the EU, or to the UK ???????
Gets a bit more complicated no?

And it just won't and can't happen. Too soon, too much hurt on both sides, too much anger that the Friday agreement has barely brushed aside, but not solved. My sil comes from NI and lived through the troubles - and it is clear that it just can't happen.

It might- in 3 perhaps 4 generations- but NOT now. Really, NOT now.

Indeed mcem.

On the one hand people complain about 'petty rules' from the EU (still waiting for a list btw) .. and on the other hand say 'ah well, we will just have to do without- it will be good for us- like during the war' ...

and bananas are a great exemple- which leads itself to jokes and spoofs.

Just catching up with latest posts and am puzzled.
To me, it's crystal clear that jura posted about a brexiteer who phoned up with his idiotic banana comment. How can it be read any other way?

Alexa there has been a lot on the news today about international criminals and how much harder it will be for our police to do their job if we leave the EU. It worries me too. All those people who want to stop EU immigration won't be able to stop international criminals.

I can't agree about NI and Eire joining up as one country. We didn't give the Falklands away why would we give away NI? Why would we reject a huge group of UK citizens?

I wish that Northern Ireland would merge with Ireland , And I wish that Scotland and England would continue to be main movers in Europe and full members of the Community.

As Jura pointed out, we had a democratic election when we elected our European MPs. I voted .

Brexit will make it difficult detect and detain international criminals.

The problem is that there is now an unknown quantity that is feared by politicians- perhaps we can call them the one-time voters OTV for short. The OTV came out and voted in the referendum and all the parties are now trying to work out how to attract the support of the OTVs. So they won't look at the referendum even if it was illegal, they won't be the ones to cancel article 50 because in doing so they will alienate the OTVs. So we stagger into a recession with jobs lost and an economy that will plummet because none of the politicians wants to be the adult and take responsibility.

BuffyBee, I am so sorry it does not make sense to you. It makes total sense to me- and I hope to many others to.

Businesses had about half a century of import/export as members of the EU- no tariffs, free flowing traffic at borders, unhindered flights in and out of the country, little red tape - they are very good at it, and very experienced.

WTO rules will change almost every aspect of import/export- really it is not hard to fathom.

I too was interested to hear about Rosieleahs “ pretty little rules “ as well. But she just changes the subject, so I assume than like all Brexiteers it really is just pregidice, lies and fantasy.
There is not one ounce of logic or sense in Brexit and we are going to end up being worse off than now, except for JRM and cronies of course.

What are you talking about?
You won't forget how you used to do it.
This makes no sense to me at all.

You stated that it would be difficult to import bananas after we leave the EU and I asked you to state one of the myriad reasons.

And if course it will be different under WTO, why are you stating the obvious and trying to make it sound ominous.

I await your myriad reasons why it will not be as easy as now to import bananas.

You won't forget how you used to do it.

It will be a very different ball or banana game, for sure, on WTO rules.