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Not just Labour then with division ....

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Urmstongran Sun 10-Feb-19 16:42:09

‘Inside Europe’ is riveting stuff. I’m looking forward to the final part tomorrow night.
It explains a lot.
Quite an eye opener really.

Jalima1108 Sun 10-Feb-19 15:32:28

yep,and we have pulled the trigger

Have you not been watching 'Inside Europe: Ten Years of Turmoil' then jura?

And perhaps I have been watching different news about Europe from you for the past 10+ years.

Amazing that we can be blamed for what has been going on in Germany, France, Italy, Greece, Spain etc etc over the last few years confused

At least we were not in the Euro! You can't say that the crises with that are the fault of the UK, surely?

Urmstongran Sun 10-Feb-19 14:45:23

I will try to get a copy later, thanks MOnica

The Denmark issue is pretty awful though isn’t it? Seems desperate measures for uncertain times.

M0nica Sun 10-Feb-19 14:38:47

I have been reading in the Observer today a long and detailed analysis of the Gilet Jaune movement in France.

It is a very amorphous movement. It includes the Far left, Far right and as far as |I can see Far centre, if such exists. Maio met with only one faction of the gilets jaune and the heads of other factions were furious about the meeting, they thought it inappropriate and irrelevant and just a publicity stunt by Maio and the faction leader he met.

It was a very interesting article. If you do not already read the Observer, there is till time to rush out buy a copy and read it.

oldgoat Sun 10-Feb-19 14:32:15

Blaming labour.

oldgoat Sun 10-Feb-19 14:31:35

And in the UK the Tory party are divided. In fact, divisions in the Conservative party are what have landed us in the shambolic mess which is Brexit, but no doubt they'll find a way of blame Labour.

Urmstongran Sun 10-Feb-19 13:13:16

This too in today’s news:

‘For Skaarup is parliamentary leader of the populist Danish People's Party (DPP). And the island he was visiting for the first time has split his nation over plans to turn it into 'Europe's Alcatraz' – an isolated fortress to dump dozens of rejected and criminal refugees who cannot be sent home.

This 17-acre scrap of land – home to a research station for animal diseases and a cemetery for infected carcasses – symbolises how a Scandinavian country once famed for liberalism and tolerance has become the toughest on refugees in Western Europe.

Denmark's immigration minister even posed with a cake on social media to celebrate passing her 50th law restricting migrants.

Recent measures include a ban on face veils, confiscating jewellery from refugees and designating 29 urban areas as 'ghettos' subject to special laws to control residents.’

So, it’s not just us then finding migration difficult to deal with. The cracks are showing within the EU.

EllanVannin Sat 09-Feb-19 14:37:33

Bring it on if it's going to make politicians sit up and take notice because nothing any member of the public says or does is making any difference !

petra Sat 09-Feb-19 12:24:02

yep,and we have pulled the trigger
I'm sure the populist movements in Italy, France, Austria, Holland, Germany would take offence that our 'little island' took the credit.

jura2 Sat 09-Feb-19 11:58:52

yep, and we have pulled the trigger ...

Urmstongran Sat 09-Feb-19 11:24:40

The EU too it seems.

‘The Yellow Vests Are A Warning Sign Of What’s To Come Down The Road:

In recent months Italy’s two far-right deputy prime ministers, Luigi Di Maio and Matteo Salvini, have criticized French President Emmanuel Macron on a host of hot-button issues from immigration to the gilets jaunes (yellow vest) anti-government demonstrations. After Maio met with gilets jaunes leaders this week and declared a “new Europe is being born of the yellow vests” Macron saw red. He said the comments were unacceptable “provocation” and immediately recalled France’s ambassador to Italy.

Salvini initially seemed contrite, saying Rome didn’t want a fallout with Paris, and suggesting the two leaders meet to iron out their differences. Unfortunately that conciliatory gesture was followed by insistence that Macron address three issues first: make French police stop pushing migrants back into Italy, end lengthy border checks blocking traffic, and hand over some 15 Italian leftist militants granted asylum in France in recent decades. With the European Parliament’s elections coming up at the end of May, France’s Minister for European Affairs, Nathalie Loiseau, just wants everybody to mind their own country’s business and play nice with their neighbors.’

I think there’s a bumpy ride ahead.