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The cliff edges nearer because May doesn’t want to split party!

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Anja Mon 11-Feb-19 07:39:59

Theresa May has effectively ruled out Labour’s proposal for a Brexit compromise, stressing her objection to staying inside a customs union. “I am not clear why you believe it would be preferable to seek a say in future EU trade deals rather than the ability to strike our own deals?” she wrote to Jeremy Corbyn. The PM argued that her own Brexit plan “explicitly provides for the benefits of a customs union” in terms of avoiding tariffs, while allowing “development of the UK’s independent trade policy beyond our economic partnership with the EU”.

She accepted a customs union could potentially have delivered her a Commons majority but at the serious risk of splitting her party.

The letter comes amid a growing presumption that while May remains officially committed to putting a revised Brexit plan to MPs as soon as possible, in practice this is unlikely to happen before the end of February. Business leaders have called for quicker action, with the head of the CBI, Carolyn Fairbairn, saying the UK is “in the emergency zone of Brexit now” and the confusion will not just affect jobs and investment, but harm the UK as a long-term business destination.

andycameron69 Tue 12-Mar-19 20:05:41

we did once do you remember the referendum?

grin

andycameron69 Tue 12-Mar-19 20:06:04

loved the result of the referendum,,, fab

varian Tue 12-Mar-19 20:08:38

Most British people have learned a lot in the last three years.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 12-Mar-19 20:55:10

Varian- yes most people have learned that our MPs from both side of the house are self entitled grandiose nitwits

varian Tue 12-Mar-19 21:02:57

Most people who have paid attention should have learned that the referendum was won by fraud , lies and cheating and should be ignored and ang kind of brexit would be desttuctive and leave us all poorer for a vefy long time.

andycameron69 Tue 12-Mar-19 21:50:42

not true

lemongrove Tue 12-Mar-19 21:58:37

Exactly GG13 an eye opener indeed as to the true worth
Or lack of it from our MP’s.
If there was to be a GE this year then they will find out what the public think of them.
Brexit or no Brexit, I won’t be voting for anyone again after this debacle.

humptydumpty Tue 12-Mar-19 22:56:00

andy you sound increasingly as if you're related to daivid?

andycameron69 Wed 13-Mar-19 07:03:12

whos daivid ?

explain?

varian Thu 14-Mar-19 18:21:05

If the last poster has never even heard of David Cameron that does explain a lot.

andycameron69 Sat 16-Mar-19 08:23:17

grin
grin

andycameron69 Sat 16-Mar-19 18:22:03

i might just fall off the bed so I can imagine what a cliff edge might be.................. or off my slingbacks

grin

trisher Sat 16-Mar-19 19:05:42

andy that will only work if you invite a whole crowd of people round to fall off with you and let one special person stand and watch, wearing the highest heels you've got and with a nice softly padded special mat to fall onto ( like Jacob Rees Mogg???) Then you might get some idea.

andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 09:04:07

lol funny

petra Sun 17-Mar-19 11:39:38

Varian
Andys 'joke' was in reference to humptydumptys miss spelling of the the word 'David'
I can understand that you might have missed it as it was one might call 'humour'

Jabberwok Sun 17-Mar-19 12:40:19

Project fear wasn't exactly the truth. Wheeling in President Obama to threaten us wasn't exactly very neat and rubbed people up! what he said was rubbish particularly as his presidency was nearing its end! An emergency budget?!!!! Both sides lied! The side of the bus? Well that was for AFTER we left! As we still haven't left, how can that be a lie?!!

andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 15:31:16

jabber well said a great post

grin

andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 17:24:27

john redwood is a fantastic honest guy

trisher Sun 17-Mar-19 18:05:33

And so liberal and broad minded!

Ginny42 Sun 17-Mar-19 18:13:25

Another of your jokes Andy? It's the way you tell'em.

Ginny42 Sun 17-Mar-19 18:18:32

I see Philip Hammond was at the talks with the DUP last Friday. Anyone seen whether there was another cash offer? The other one is up in June.

andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 19:41:03

oh they will try and buy the DUP. of course.

glad my posts are being accepted in an amazing way

I thank you.

freedom and democracy, I might just crack open a beer.

grin

andycameron69 Sun 17-Mar-19 19:42:00

this is one big happy family all thinking the same way together, jolly exciting

grin

varian Sun 17-Mar-19 20:18:04

ITV political editor Robert Peston writes -

"The prime minister’s frantic last attempt to persuade Northern Ireland’s DUP to back her third meaningful vote on Tuesday involves a promise that if the controversial backstop is ever triggered, Great Britain would adopt any new food and business rules that could be forced by the EU on Northern Ireland.

This is a high risk offer by Theresa May to NI’s unionist party - which has huge clout with her because without its votes in parliament her government would collapse.

As a minister told me, for the DUP to accept the offer it would have to trust that a future prime minister and government would honour the pledge - which cannot be guaranteed even if May legislates for such alignment (because any law can always be repealed).

May’s offer falls far short of the DUP’s demand that the EU must change the so-called Withdrawal Agreement, to remove the potential for business and food regulations between Great Britain and NI to diverge - and thereby, according to the DUP, create a new kind of legal border between NI and the mainland.
It also risks alienating some Brexiteer purists because it would keep the whole of the UK tied to the EU’s single market and undermine further the ability of Westminster to - in their words - “take back control”.

What is perhaps worse and would rub salt into Brexiteer wounds, this unilateral British acceptance of alignment with EU rules, for as long as the backstop is in force, would not remove the responsibility of EU institutions to routinely interfere in UK affairs, to check that goods and food flowing from GB to NI meet EU standards.

So logically the regulatory alignment offer should not pacify and win over the DUP.

But sources close to the DUP tell me that - to their surprise - it may have done.

If so they would announce this entente as soon as tomorrow."

www.itv.com/news/2019-03-17/what-the-pm-offered-the-dup/

Ginny42 Sun 17-Mar-19 22:29:12

Thank you for posting that Varian. I've just read about the Andrew Marr show today on which Philip Hammond did not rule out another cash incentive to NI if the DUP backed May's deal. He said the deal would not be put to parliament without the support of the DUP beforehand.

He added that the government do not yet have the numbers to secure the deal and described it as 'a work in progress.'

So the big question is: can the DUP be bribed again - and if so, shame! Cash for votes. We would be very critical of other countries who cannot manage their governance better.

John McDonnell said TM risked 'destroying all confidence in our political system' if she was considering giving another 'bung' to the DUP.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47602746