Petition to stop Brexit

Does that mean the only lie by Remainers was Osbourne's? What about their criminal activities?

There were, as far as I know, no lies, no fraud, no foreign money or surrepticious online influence in the Remain campaign. What the leavers point to is only warnings by George Osbourne and others that a leave vote would cause harm to our country- and it certainly has. The exact details of whether or not there would be an emergency budget etc are neither here nor there.

I have never heard of any proven case of lies by the Remain campaign. The worst you can accuse it of is incompetence, arrogance, complacency and underestimating the power of the right-wing tabloid press, the power of Vladimir Putin and his ability to undermine the West and the absurd behaviour of the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation.

Osborne's was not a lie- it was a prediction that didn't happen - hugely different.

The bus was a massive and very deliberate lie- to sway the most vulnerable. Fraud, foreign interference? It is now clear that the Met and Police are not investigating properly- and serious questions are now being asked at the highest level- why- and if the Government is preventing them from doing so, as it is 'too politically sensitive'.

If and when the Judiciary and Police are prevented from doing their job in investigating fraud - fraud which would invalidate a vote- you know thing are badly wrong.

There are, of course, a number of very wealthy Russians who have made generous donations to the Conservative Party.

Predictions which were rubbished as Project Fear- are now turning into Reality- one by one- and we have not left yet

lemongrove; you seem to forget that 16 million people voted not to leave. If 17 million is rather a lot, 16 million is, too....

There’s going to be a huge anti Brexit march and rally on 23 March to show public opposition to May’s proposals.

Oh that it's come to this! Marches can lead to violence and that would be an awful scenario. Did we vote for this? But how else do we get the Government to listen? They've pushed it to the wire and still haven't come up with a plan. Why can't they admit it can't be done?

Where are the main drivers of Brexit now? David Cameron, Boris Johnson, David Davies? We know where Gove is and Farage is still scrabbling to grab the limelight again whilst on an MEP's salary with a big pension pay out at the end. We've been made fools of and some people are still unable or unwilling to admit it. Very sad.

Labaik - yes 16 million versus 17 million + of course we now know that the demographics have changed, and have tipped the other way - so hardly 'the voice of the people'.

yes, 23rd of March - I shall do everything I can to be there this time.

Of course it can be done....if the MP’s can actually compromise!
Marches and petitions will not change anything at all, it’s all down to those MP’s now on what kind of deal we get.
I think the EU negotiators will come round to giving May what Parliament wants on the Irish backstop, enough for them to vote for it.

Compromise is a great word, a great principle - but in this case, it just does not work. As there is NO possible solution for the Irish border/backstop. And as every kind of deal, and very specially NO Deal- will be much worse than what we have now.

It sounds great, I agree - but what does this 'compromise' mean in practice?

Join me on the march lemon. would be lovely to meet you at last ;)

23rd of March is far too late though- why not first week in March.

May’s deal (with legal assurances on the backstop) is the best deal to be had so at some point they will have to vote for it.
Will pass on any marching thanks jura but do enjoy yourself, take a thermos and a shewee and a warm hat.

Ah shame -a sheewee - good idea, never used one.

So legal insurance for the backstop- it sound so plausible, as words- but please explain what it does acutally mean.

There is no solution now for the Irish border- and if it does not exist now- why would it suddenly exist in 1 year, 2 years or more?

Thank god no deal is still on the table. Without the threat of that why would the EU negotiate further?

TM is running this to the wire. It really is who blinks first.

No Deal does not mean that we'll go back in time to a place where everything is as brexiteers imagine it was (in the good old days before the EU)!
I have seen so many vox pop interviews where people simply do not understand that.
It's all part of the brexit delusion and those of us who do understand the potential dangers will be dragged down with them.

Protest marches worked with the poll tax, why not Brexit?

I think this will be a big one , especially if we are still on the cliff edge by the 23rd. Meanwhile, there was a pro Brexit demo in Manchester yesterday, I saw a photo on Twitter, there were 7 middle aged large men, one of whom had a Donald Trump flag. They didn’t need any police or stewards. ?

That’s because Leavers do not need a demo/protest/march as we will shortly be leaving the EU.

Nonnie mass protests about the poll tax or various other things can work, but not going against the democratic vote of a referendum, which Parliament voted to honour.
Both the Conservatives and Labour front benches want to deliver Brexit.

I’m not daft. I know what a no deal entails. But keeping it is a bargaining tool as no one wants it but without negotiation/compromise it’s the default position.

That is a nonsensical argument regularly trotted out by those campaigning for "brexit at any price"

If you are negotiating with the owner of a house you want to buy, or haggling with a market trader, you have the option to walk away and if you do you will be no worse off. You will have lost nothing.

If we leave the EU on a "no-deal" basis we will lose everything. We will be much worse of. OK, it would also harm our fellow EU member nations, but nothing like as much as it would hurt us.

It would be like cutting off our nose to spite our face, a toddler having a tantrum saying "if I don't get my own way I'll hold my breath till I pass out". It is time these quitters grew up.

I disagree varian as I realise without a deal that’s what we get but just as we don’t want it the EU don’t either as they too will have to make (expensive) contingency plans - without £39 billion too.
I don’t think it’ll go to no deal.
The EU will blink.

The EU have made their plans, Urmstongran. They started planning about a year ago. No deal will hurt them but it will be far, far worse for us. I can't believe that we would be insane enough to do it. However, they'll be prepared to let us do it if insanity prevails.

This "who will blink first " is so childish. Yes, we are harming others as well as ourselves- that nothing to boast about. There are still pro Brexit demos by those who are in favour of no deal/ against Mays WA btw, its rather naive to say that leavers are "getting what they want".

I believe in democracy.