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Petition to stop Brexit

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Nonnie Tue 12-Feb-19 16:36:05

For those of you who feel strongly: petition.parliament.uk/petitions/239706

Urmstongran Sun 17-Feb-19 14:05:43

I’m not daft. I know what a no deal entails. But keeping it is a bargaining tool as no one wants it but without negotiation/compromise it’s the default position.

lemongrove Sun 17-Feb-19 13:41:27

That’s because Leavers do not need a demo/protest/march as we will shortly be leaving the EU.

Nonnie mass protests about the poll tax or various other things can work, but not going against the democratic vote of a referendum, which Parliament voted to honour.
Both the Conservatives and Labour front benches want to deliver Brexit.

crystaltipps Sun 17-Feb-19 13:35:48

I think this will be a big one , especially if we are still on the cliff edge by the 23rd. Meanwhile, there was a pro Brexit demo in Manchester yesterday, I saw a photo on Twitter, there were 7 middle aged large men, one of whom had a Donald Trump flag. They didn’t need any police or stewards. ?

Nonnie Sun 17-Feb-19 13:24:16

Protest marches worked with the poll tax, why not Brexit?

mcem Sun 17-Feb-19 13:20:17

No Deal does not mean that we'll go back in time to a place where everything is as brexiteers imagine it was (in the good old days before the EU)!
I have seen so many vox pop interviews where people simply do not understand that.
It's all part of the brexit delusion and those of us who do understand the potential dangers will be dragged down with them.

Urmstongran Sun 17-Feb-19 10:54:21

Thank god no deal is still on the table. Without the threat of that why would the EU negotiate further?

TM is running this to the wire. It really is who blinks first.

jura2 Sun 17-Feb-19 10:29:20

Ah shame -a sheewee - good idea, never used one.

So legal insurance for the backstop- it sound so plausible, as words- but please explain what it does acutally mean.

There is no solution now for the Irish border- and if it does not exist now- why would it suddenly exist in 1 year, 2 years or more?

lemongrove Sun 17-Feb-19 10:07:47

May’s deal (with legal assurances on the backstop) is the best deal to be had so at some point they will have to vote for it.
Will pass on any marching thanks jura but do enjoy yourself, take a thermos and a shewee and a warm hat.

jura2 Sun 17-Feb-19 10:03:22

23rd of March is far too late though- why not first week in March.

jura2 Sun 17-Feb-19 10:02:39

Compromise is a great word, a great principle - but in this case, it just does not work. As there is NO possible solution for the Irish border/backstop. And as every kind of deal, and very specially NO Deal- will be much worse than what we have now.

It sounds great, I agree - but what does this 'compromise' mean in practice?

Join me on the march lemon. would be lovely to meet you at last ;)

lemongrove Sun 17-Feb-19 09:56:28

Of course it can be done....if the MP’s can actually compromise!
Marches and petitions will not change anything at all, it’s all down to those MP’s now on what kind of deal we get.
I think the EU negotiators will come round to giving May what Parliament wants on the Irish backstop, enough for them to vote for it.

jura2 Sun 17-Feb-19 09:50:25

Labaik - yes 16 million versus 17 million + of course we now know that the demographics have changed, and have tipped the other way - so hardly 'the voice of the people'.

yes, 23rd of March - I shall do everything I can to be there this time.

Ginny42 Sun 17-Feb-19 04:33:52

Oh that it's come to this! Marches can lead to violence and that would be an awful scenario. Did we vote for this? But how else do we get the Government to listen? They've pushed it to the wire and still haven't come up with a plan. Why can't they admit it can't be done?

Where are the main drivers of Brexit now? David Cameron, Boris Johnson, David Davies? We know where Gove is and Farage is still scrabbling to grab the limelight again whilst on an MEP's salary with a big pension pay out at the end. We've been made fools of and some people are still unable or unwilling to admit it. Very sad.

crystaltipps Sun 17-Feb-19 02:33:51

There’s going to be a huge anti Brexit march and rally on 23 March to show public opposition to May’s proposals.

Labaik Sun 17-Feb-19 00:22:09

lemongrove; you seem to forget that 16 million people voted not to leave. If 17 million is rather a lot, 16 million is, too....

jura2 Sat 16-Feb-19 19:42:13

Predictions which were rubbished as Project Fear- are now turning into Reality- one by one- and we have not left yet sad

varian Sat 16-Feb-19 19:25:05

There are, of course, a number of very wealthy Russians who have made generous donations to the Conservative Party.

jura2 Sat 16-Feb-19 19:20:40

Osborne's was not a lie- it was a prediction that didn't happen - hugely different.

The bus was a massive and very deliberate lie- to sway the most vulnerable. Fraud, foreign interference? It is now clear that the Met and Police are not investigating properly- and serious questions are now being asked at the highest level- why- and if the Government is preventing them from doing so, as it is 'too politically sensitive'.

If and when the Judiciary and Police are prevented from doing their job in investigating fraud - fraud which would invalidate a vote- you know thing are badly wrong.

varian Sat 16-Feb-19 19:16:26

There were, as far as I know, no lies, no fraud, no foreign money or surrepticious online influence in the Remain campaign. What the leavers point to is only warnings by George Osbourne and others that a leave vote would cause harm to our country- and it certainly has. The exact details of whether or not there would be an emergency budget etc are neither here nor there.

I have never heard of any proven case of lies by the Remain campaign. The worst you can accuse it of is incompetence, arrogance, complacency and underestimating the power of the right-wing tabloid press, the power of Vladimir Putin and his ability to undermine the West and the absurd behaviour of the Brexit Broadcasting Corporation.

Nonnie Sat 16-Feb-19 17:44:05

Does that mean the only lie by Remainers was Osbourne's? What about their criminal activities?

Urmstongran Sat 16-Feb-19 17:37:24

It will get debated but it won’t pass.

petra Sat 16-Feb-19 17:24:30

Nonnie
Lies are subjective. I (and millions of others) didnt believe the £350ml going to the NHS.
If you were going to hold this claim up as a lie (in court) even the lowliest of lawyers would have a field day, why, because Brexit hasn't happened yet! So therefore it isn't a lie. You can't prove that an intention is or isn't going to happen.

lemongrove Sat 16-Feb-19 17:11:24

Significant lies?
How about Osborne telling us that if the Leave vote won, the very next day there would have to be an emergency
Budget put into place!

petra Sat 16-Feb-19 17:09:47

This petition might get a mention, if your lucky.

Nonnie Sat 16-Feb-19 17:09:12

petra I have several times asked what the significant lies the Remain campaign told and not had a response so perhaps you can enlighten me. Please also tell me what criminal activities they committed as well. Thanks