Breakaway Labour MP’s

I thought Tom Watson sounded ashamed of his party.

He would be he’s a decent labour man

Yes AS did well didn’t she - what sort of committed anti racist has that sort of vocabulary in her head?

Sorry Jalima I can't see why I posted that comment now - total aberration and must be in answer to someone else but can't find that either!!!

I think it’s a start to getting labour back yet again from the vile racist bullying hard left. They are twins to the vile racist hard right.

Hope Yvette Cooper David Lammy and some sensible Tories might join too. Also Lib Dem’s.

Fingers crossed. Since Corbyn took over I have no party to vote for. I feel excited today.

I'm sure they would, Jalima and that doesn't surprise me at all.

How long have you been in the Labour Party, out of interest?

Oh dear. Breakaway MP Angela Smith is now embroiled in a racism scandal and has had to make a public and grovelling apology - on the first day of the group's existence. Not a good start.

What of the views of the 7 MP’s who supported a people’s vote and are angry Corbyn hasn’t supported a people’s vote ,
Yet at the conference last year was it not said , 1st a general election, 2nd a second referendum / people’s vote ?

Very interesting question. Yes, who? i think we should be told.

Why is it amazing that NC was there Jal and ab why might she have admired the mural? I’m puzzled. Oh and ab I think it was clear from Rowan’s post re her Jewish family.

Iam any use of someone's heritage/race/religion to demean or abuse them is absolutely to be challenged and perpetrators sanctioned. Racism has no place in any political party or in wider society.

Perhaps she too would have admired the wall mural Jalima

Hence the Battle of Cable Street over 80 years ago when the communists and the Labour party prevented a fascist march which the police wanted to happen.
Amazing that Naomi Corbyn (nee Josling) was there (apparently)

I wonder what she would be thinking now?

Rowantree thank you for your informed and personal experiences. Your dad is much to be admired for his views and stance.
One of the problems on these threads is that some people refuse to discuss things but simply use anti-semitism as a weapon to attack Corbyn and anyone they consider left wing. It is in my opinion a disgusting use of something which has caused so much trouble and sorrow, but there you are they are happy to do so. It saddens me to see the Labour party which has always violently opposed racism, fascism and anti-semitism brought to such a state by those who profess to believe in its values. The left wing of the Labour Party, communists and others have always stood up against anti-semitism and fascism. Hence the Battle of Cable Street over 80 years ago when the communists and the Labour party prevented a fascist march which the police wanted to happen. One wonders which side some of the posters on here would have been on.

Rowantree, of course your father’s support of Palestine doesn’t make him anti Semitic. Neither does it make my Jewish friends who oppose the actions of the Israeli government towards Palestine anti Semitic. The constituents, LP members who called Luciana Berger foul names are anti Semitic without question.

Would that there were more people like both your fathers, PECS and Rowantree.
The world would be a better place.

No PECS Corbyn praised the wall mural, but didn’t look closely ! He was on a Facebook group attacking Jews, he didn’t read the posts !, he paid tribute to terrorists who murdered innocent Olympic athletes, but could remember if he was involved, he turned down an invite to visit The Holocaust Museum in Israel, he didn’t have time.

Rowantree I had no idea what your faith is. But anti semitism exists in the Labour Party so cannot be ignored , you choice not to believe it

Rowantree if my Palestinian dad was alive he may have got on well with your dad! As a family in UK have always had friends that echoed the multi cultural community dad was a part of when growing up in Nazareth, Haifa & Jerusalem!

However, Jeremy Corbyn is not anti-semitic.
With respect, Rowantree, do you mean that you believe he is not anti-Semitic?
Other people may disagree from what they have seen and heard over many years.

Rowantree you echo my experience. At my CLP our leading members are Jewish. They also take an active role in organising the local PSC events too! Not all of us are as partisan as others would think or seem to want us to be!

The persistent denial of anti Semitic in the LP by some people never ceases to shock me. Denial doesn’t make it not so
I find it shocking too Iam64 and very frightening in fact.

Well said, PECS.

Slightly off-topic but my father is 92, and until recently has campaigned for Palestinian rights for as long as I can remember. He's had a lot of stick for it from some quarters, but he remains firm and he sees himself as Jewish BUT not a Zionist. Does that make him anti-semitic?

Good grief, John MacDonald talking about ‘doing the honourable thing’
what - is he resigning? Or better, leaving politics?

he's a nasty, dangerous man.

If you look at the voting history of the MPs on the list they have supported a number of Tory bills, including those supporting austerity. Not even a centrist Labour attitude!

Re the never ending Anti-Semitism debate. Whilst there has always been, & will always be, racism, including anti- Semitism, there is sometimes a deliberate conflation between support for Palestine and anti-Semitism. Those opposed to JC use this support to discredit him. It happens.

I want to see robust challenge of any abuse based on race/religion wherever it happens. Anti-Semitism/racism diminishes us all.

Thank you also maryeliza.

I am feeling rather shaken

Thank you, Ilovecheese. I was actually quite upset by Anniebach's comment.