US Senator Bernie Sanders says he will run again for president in 2020, making a second attempt to win the Democratic Party's nomination. The 77-year-old Vermont senator became a progressive political star in 2016 although he lost his candidacy bid.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46965281
If I had been an American voter in 2016 I would have supported Bernie Sanders, but he will be 79 in 2020, 83 in 2024. I am just a bit younger than Bernie and I have no doubt that from the age of seventy, although I was still working and had quite a lot of energy and enthusiasm for my work, I was beginning to slow down. I was not the President of the USA.
Is he too old or is that just age prejudice?
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(27 Posts)At the risk of being ageist, yes I think he is far too old. Whilst experience is of vast importantance, despite the fact that he would be surrounded by advisors the buck would stop with him and his finger would be on "the dreaded button"
I think there comes a time when our generation needs to step back. We do have experience and, at least in some cases, wisdom that we can make available to younger men and women. I think Barack Obama was very smart to team up with Joe Biden for exactly this reason and that partnership worked well.
Maybe there should be an official cut-off point – say, 70 or 75 – for such a high-powered position. It is a very demanding job and most presidents seem to gain quite a lot of grey hair and lines on their faces even during a single term. I am 68 and have pretty good health and a lot of energy. However, I am aware that I no longer have the stamina I once had and that although my mind is still sharp, it doesn't work quite so rapidly.
No one seems willing to use the 25th Amendment to remove a president who has become incapable. Remember Ronald Reagan had Alzheimers but remained in office until the end of his second term. This amendment should have been used then and would have been a legal precedent. However, I have my doubts about whether it would be used for Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren or Joe Biden if any of them were the future president and became incompetent through ill health while in office.
What he has done is open the door for so many other progressives to stand and I like the look of a few of them.
They have gone from having one entitled candidate to having over 15 and counting and many are genuine progressives. I like Bernie Sanders but also Elizabeth Warren, Julian Castro, and Tulsi Gabbard. Sanders has his age against him (although there have been older Presidents and Prime Ministers) and the fact that some people think that he should stand as an independent.
I think any of those would be a good President.
There are thankfully a few Republicans coming forward to stand against Trump as it was thought but many pundits that none would be prepared to do that.
I feel that no politician should be over retirement age, whatever that is in the country involved, and indeed it might be a good idea to say that you are too old to be in politics or run for a presidency, or be prime minister after the age of 65.
Why should people our age cling to power instead of letting younger people take over?
With age comes experience and hopefully that makes one wiser.
And no-one could make a hash of running the USA the way Trump has, surely?
Let Bernie have a go!
I feel I don't yet know enough about the younger politicians so it's good to have reassurance from Jaycee. I agree that 79 is too old to embark on such a demanding role, but goodness Bernie Sanders was inspirational in 2016.
Michelle Obama should jump in she'd make a good " peoples " President. I'd vote for her, she's lovely.
Watching him on the tv the other night, he appeared to need the lecture to keep himself upright so yes too old.
I live in the States and I wouldn’t vote for any of them. Is there nobody out there with the qualities needed to run the country? I feel the same about my home country (UK) too.
winterwhite It is still early. People started announcing nominations ridiculously early. It distracts from the important things that they need to be concentrating on now.
I didn't like Tulsi Gabbard at first but she is very anti war and I think that she is impressive. I did like Kamala Harris at first and she seems to be the favourite but the more I see of her the less I like her.
None of them would be disastrous though in the way that Trump is and that to some extent I think Clinton would have been.
It is a shame that we do have to consider age, and I think it is a sorry state of affairs if there are not other very obvious equally principled, knowledgable, personable & diplomatic younger candidate... in USA (or UK!)
Where does this leave the Queen then? Her maj is still doing an excellent job, more savvy than most prime ministers, although she has handed over some of duties. Why not all of them if we are going to be ageist. Surely, surely Bernie has to be an improvement on Donald Trump, hasn't he?
I think the Queen is in a category all of her own. She never stood for election, is a Head of State but not a Head of Government. She is very highly regarded and although she continues working, those around her no doubt do everything they can to share the load.
Personally I would not vote for a Counsellor or member of Parliament who was over the age of 75. I feel that there should definately be a cut off point and the same goes for the House of Lords.
People are so very different. Shirley Williams retired from the House of Lords at 85 but I heard her interviewed yesterday and she sounded just as sharp witted and eloquent as ever.
Perhaps there should be no compulsory retirement age for anything but we should judge each case on its merits.
Having said that I think I'd be reluctant to see anyone over seventy taking on a job like POTUS. Trump is obviously not up to it, but then I would not have supported him at any age.
I liked Bernie Sanders last campaign as much as I hated Hilary Clintons! I was rooting for him back in..2016?
Sadly I think he has probably missed the boat politically. I do hope he mentors younger politicians though. I think at 75 the enormity of the role might prove to be too much for him, physically rather than mentally.
(I know some very wise and erudite people in their late 70s and early 80s and I think we must guard against dismissing the old as a group of people becoming mentally infirm. Many remain sharp till the day they die. My Mum died at 86 with her book, newspaper and a half-finished crossword on her hospital bedside table.)
Day6 agree wholeheartedly with what you said in your post. There are plenty of younger potential candidates who do not have the astuteness or gravitas to carry it off!
It is not always age that is the most relevant.
However, I think too much would be made of his age in any campaigning and distract from the politics.
It’s ridiculous that he should stand. He’s too old, he’s not even a Democrat, and his massive ego meant he just couldn’t give in gracefully after Hillary Clinton beat him (resoundingly) in the Primaries. Instead he kept winding up his (mostly) young and impressionable supporters to take the moral high ground and not vote for Hillary in the Presidential election.. Look where that got us - with the orange idiot Trump! I also think he - and Corbyn- are old fashioned misogynists who like young women but get very tetchy when dealing with powerful older women.
And if you listen toBernie’s speeches, they’ve no substance at all, just motherhood and apple pie cos he knows he will never have to deliver anything. Meanwhile, he has made a LOT of money out of standing in the primaries.
Sorry, finished ranting now. In case you hadn’t realised, I’m still not over 2016! We had a chance to have the first women President who was also an incredibly able, experienced, principled woman who Bernie doesn’t hold a candle to. What a mess.
I think there is nothing that Bernie could have done to temper the disappointment his young followers felt. I can understand why people who are left wing would not want to vote for Clinton.
Corbyn seems to work well with Emily Thornbury who seems pretty tough and of course Diane Abbott. Sarah Campion and Shami Chakravarti are also not that young and he gets on well with them. I know that people like to find fault with him but misogyny really doesn't stand up.
I have American friends who say he will do good....
Grannygravy13. Would you rather then a young GW Bush2nd who with his pal Blair created a situation the consequences of which are with us on a daily basis.
Other personal aspects of a politician are all too often the most powerful influence than age - once they have the 'control' button, all sense of character, morality, 'servant of the people' attitudes seems to go out of the window.
They will say, and do, anything they feel is expedient, self-interest to their own narrow sphere.
So many lose (if they ever had it in the first place) the bigger picture, instead preferring to surround themselves with syncopants and one trick ponies...but, ask yourselves, would any of us be any different?
Bring on true democracy!
Bernie is too old.. Donald Trump is doing a good job and even those that were against him are now on his side.. Look at how much good Trump has done for the people and country,, and compare that with what Obama did and if his wife gets in she won't be any better then Obama was.
Regardless of candidates personal qualities it’s impossible to tell who will be chosen as ultimate candidates, last time Trump won and his personal qualities are awful. Wether his policies turn out to be successful has still to be proved, a lot of republicans are uncomfortable with Trump and would prefer a different president.
Unfortunately US elections are won by the candidate who has the most cash backing and clever dirty tricks, thankfully our system is slightly better, despite the current mess.
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