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Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

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Anniebach Sat 23-Feb-19 17:49:27

My link is to the Guardian not the Mail

Anniebach Sat 23-Feb-19 17:47:22

So sorry, will try www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/antisemitism-open-your-eyes-jeremy-corbyn-labour

Anja Sat 23-Feb-19 17:45:35

It’s the public at large that don’t, or won’t make the effort to understand, the difference. In particular those who are gullible and believe everything that they read in the Daily Heil.

Jalima1108 Sat 23-Feb-19 17:12:57

I do not mean that generally as I cannot speak for anyone else.

Jalima1108 Sat 23-Feb-19 17:10:31

Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism
No

Joelsnan Sat 23-Feb-19 16:37:24

Lemongrove
Yes, I really want to understand why 'supposedly' Labour Party members Re anti semetic. What is their readoning and why do they feel this way.

Joelsnan Sat 23-Feb-19 16:34:10

Anniebach
Sorry your link doesn't work.

You are wrong, does calling a woman ‘ a Jew Whore’ and telling her she needs shagging and strangling at the same time’ mean just a defence of Palestine ?
I am sure, as most of those with this sentiment are exactly the ones confusing zionism with anti semetism and this would be evident if challenged.
Is there any groundswell of malicious intent by the members of the Labour Party towards the Jews of the UK, I do not see this. I do however see many people of all political pursuasions uneasy with zionist actions and intentions from Israel towards surrounding nations.

lemongrove Sat 23-Feb-19 16:30:09

If most within the LP membership don’t inderstand the difference between anti-zionism and anti-semitism then they can’t be very bright can they?
For those who do understand the difference ( and are LP members) and are still anti-semitic, what’s their excuse?

Anja Sat 23-Feb-19 16:10:01

I agree that for most people they don’t understand the difference. I can’t understand why because, I have to disagree with you here Grandad1943 that to me the distinction is perfectly clear.

However, I do agree with the rest of your well thought p-out post.

Annie your link doesn’t work for me at least.

Grandad1943 Sat 23-Feb-19 15:56:20

I would agree that there is a very thin line between anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism and there is in the minds of some confusion in regard to differentiating between the two. However, to state that the foregoing is the sole of the problem within the Labour party would be wrong, as there are "a number" in the party who without a doubt are anti-semitic.

In the above, Jenny Formby "laid the problem firmly on the line" to Labours National Executive Committee in stating that the party has a membership of over half a million and is the largest political organisation in Europe. The Labour movement in the Country has a total Membership of six million through the trades unions, with many individual union branches using their funds to affiliate to district and constituency Labour parties. In that way, those trade union members also speak out with their views at meetings etc as affiliated members.

Therefore, what Formby started to the NEC so forcibly, was that it is impossible to police what every member in the movement states, and that is just one of the problems in being such a large organisation.

The above I feel states the problem of anti-Semitism in the Labour Party as it really is. The party also has "a residual" Blairite faction within the parliamentary party that have never accepted the changes in the movement since 2015 and have used every opportunity to undermine the leadership with these allegations. There is also the extream right-wing press in Britain that have worked in conjunction with those disgruntled MPs to maximise the impact of anti-Semitism in the public mind.

However the size of the party is the major issue in this matter, and that can be judged against the Conservative party were with a total membership of only one hundred thousand, they have not been able to eliminate Islamophobia in that organisation.

Ilovecheese Sat 23-Feb-19 15:36:26

Yes, in my opinion you are correct Joelsnan.
Using extreme examples of anti semitism from anonymous sources in order to say there is never any confusion between the two things is just silly.

paddyann Sat 23-Feb-19 15:34:56

I think the State of Israels get out of jail card is nearing its end.They cant use the horrors of WW11 as an excuse for treating others badly for ever .Thats NOT anti semitic as I have jewish friends who believe the same .The USA and the UN need to man up and sort them out .

Anniebach Sat 23-Feb-19 15:26:45

You are wrong, does calling a woman ‘ a Jew Whore’ and telling her she needs shagging and strangling at the same time’ mean just a defence of Palestine ? Or telling a Jew f**k off to your tribe in Israel is a defence of Palastine ?

www..com/commentisfree/2018/mar/28/antisemitism-open-your-eyes-jeremy-corbyn-labour#img-1

jura2 Sat 23-Feb-19 15:09:49

I've wanted to say this for some time- I totally agree there is a very thin line.

Joelsnan Sat 23-Feb-19 15:02:15

Personally I consider quite a lot of what Israel does towards the Palestinians and their neighbours abhorrent, however this is done in the Zionist mission to further the state of Israel. The majority of Jews throughout the world are just ordinary joe bods like you and me who should not be tarred with the same brush as the Zionists.
I would suggest the issue within the Labour Party is actually anti zionism and not anti semitism am I wrong?