Are those condeming the Labour Party confusing Anti Zionism with Anti Semetism

But maybe not open minded or politically astute enough to know that it is politically more expedient for many politicians to be aligned to Israel rather than support humanitarian needs in Palestine.

There is a concern, in many circles, that if LP came to power with Corbyn he would be more vocal about Israel's illegal behaviours which are condemned internationally, and that might damage UK business /trade deals with Israel.

So many powerful people want to ignore Israel's atrocities and human rights offences against Palestine. JC does not want to. That makes powerful enemies.

It does not mean I support anti-Semitism in LP or elsewhere.

It never will POGS

PECS

"But those who cannot tolerate JC & do not want to conceive there may be an orchestrated campaign, using accusations of anti Semitism, to discredit him person Ally are as closed minded as people who deny anti- Semitism/ racism exists in LP & elsewhere."
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There you go again " there may be an orchestrated campaign, using accusations of anti Semitism, to discredit him personally '

Face the factual evidence and stop with the conspiracy theory and open your mind to the fact this has been a problem for years, there is a common denominator, Corbyns Election as Labour Leader and the take over by the hard left..

I am quite open minded and certainly accept 'anti- Semitism/ racism exists in LP & elsewhere.' So no denial on that matter.

It's one hell of an ' orchestrated campaign ' using accusations of anti Semitism, to discredit Corbyn / Labour when the voices are coming from within the Labour Party and acknowledged by the likes of John McDonnell , the Shadow Cabinet, the NEC and the Parliamentary Labour Party.

There have been Parliamentary debates on antisemitism within the the Labour Party and the evidence given by Labour MP's has been horrendous but perversely denied by those who defend the Labour Leadership and those who surround him.

If the penny hasn't dropped after 3 years + I guess it never will.

Annie & POGS I have not said * that there are no anti- Semitic members in LP. I have made it clear that I would always oppose anti Semitism wherever it is. Racism is everywhere.

But those who cannot tolerate JC & do not want to conceive there may be an orchestrated campaign, using accusations of anti Semitism, to discredit him personally are as closed minded as people who deny anti- Semitism/ racism exists in LP & elsewhere.

Formby is so angry with Tom Watson, seems she has more say in the party than the deputy leader

Let’s hope that the LP does act and kick them out and speeds up all the looking into complaints instead of the kicking things into the long grass.

PECS Sat 02-Mar-19 13:07:27

"But the situation re Palestine and Israel is out there for everyone to see. It is the political support for Palestine that is unpalatable for so many people and it is that that has frightened some into attempting to discredit those that do.
I think the inability to consider this a possibility is narrow thinking.'
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You and those who do not accept that posters DO accept political support for Palestine is NOT antisemetism are on a hide to nowhere by persisting in denying antisemitism has become a problem since the Jeremy for Leader/Momentum Labour Party took over the Labour Party mechanics.

As EMILY THORNBERRY said :-

". But I know as well, and we must all acknowledge, that there are sickening individuals on the fringes of our movement, who use our legitimate support for Palestine as a cloak and a cover for their despicable hatred of Jewish people, and their desire to see Israel destroyed.

“Those people stand for everything that we have always stood against and they must be kicked out of our party the same way Oswald Mosley was kicked out of Liverpool.”
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Diane Abbott gave a speech this morning, she has always spoken out against racism, the same Diane Abbott who remained silent this week when her local party discussed anti semetism.

How can some defend the cry ‘ I am against racism ‘ from those who remain silent.

Tom Watson was upset that Luciana Berger was driven out of the party by bullying and anti semetism and spoke out,

Corbyn ? ‘ l am disappointed’.

Not accepting there are anti semites in the Labour Party but claiming it is all speaking up for Palastine is in my opinion
narrow thinking. I can accept some care deeply about the Palastine Israeli conflict, but I can accept anti semetism is a hatred of Jews.

Is a female MP a whore who should be murdered because she is a Jew? Will defacing memorial stones in cemeteries stop the conflict ?

PECS do you believe the political support for Palestine is inpalatable to many? In my circle of family friends and local labour group, and political support for Palestine is a given. I accept some right wing fundamentalists support Netenyahu.

But the situation re Palestine and Israel is out there for everyone to see. It is the political support for Palestine that is unpalatable for so many people and it is that that has frightened some into attempting to discredit those that do.
I think the inability to consider this a possibility is narrow thinking.

Some are using Israel and Palastine to distract from the fact that anti semetism now has a breeding ground in the labour party

Iam as this debacle goes on his lack of strong leadership becomes more evident. But I agree he is not a racist and I would defend him from false allegations. Especially when some of those allegations are aimed at detracting from focus on the actions of Israel against Palestine. Which I believe some are.

Iam the media cannot be blamed for Corbyn attending a wreath laying ceremony for terrorists then saying 4 years later saying ‘ I was there but I wasn’t involved . If he was sure he did the right thing 4 years ago then say so.

When asked why he was at a memorial service for an IRA member he said ‘ I was remembering all who had died ‘, that was pathetic , why not say ‘I wanted to honour the memory of a man I had respect for’.

He tries to back pedal on his actions before becoming leader , this is dishonest.

I’m not afraid of Corbin or his
Policies. I don’t believe he’s racist. My fear is he is unpopular, unable to unite and lead the LP. Canvassing in
Our deprived town meant far too many people saying they couldn’t vote labour with him as leader. I accept the daily fail is on a mission to undermine him but, he seems unable to manage the media. Under pressue he goes grumpy grandad.

As Cable Street has been mentioned.

I have heard many Labour MP mentioning fondly how proud they are/were Labour stood beside those on Cable Street . The sad thing is they follow up with something like ' ' What happened to that party , the Labour Party I loved '.

Move forward to the 80th anniversary of Cable Street in 2016 and I think was a good article at the time.

www.theguardian.com/politics/commentisfree/2016/oct/06/cable-street-labour-chakrabarti-report-zionism-antisemitism

I especially like the last paragraph.:-

'. Cable Street teaches us that the labour movement must completely unshackle itself from the prejudices expressed by Proudhon and Bakunin. It is one thing to savour the memory of marching down Cable Street against the British Union of Fascists 80 years ago. But if today you find yourself marching down Oxford Street in solidarity with the antisemitic Islamists of Hamas and Hezbollah, then you need to stop what you are doing, turn around, and start marching in the opposite direction.'

Johno

There has been plenty of ' evidence ' provided for 3 years + even on GN but either you are another one with fingers in ears and head in sand or you would say it is a ' conspiracy ' anyway!

Suppose he is line to be crucified

no human being is immune from becoming a victim of hate.

Corbyn a victim ?

There is an orchestrated anti -Corbyn campaign. No doubt about that in my mind. Despite people saying he is not able enough to be a senior politician some people, both within LP and in other places , are afraid of him & his commitment to socialism and indeed for his pro- Palestinian views. The increase in LP membership showed their was a section of the electorate who supported his views.
Those right of centre..in and out of LP... have worked hard to discredit him. But actually very little " dirt" about him personally has been found. Instead they have used anti - Semitism, which exists everywhere, to beat him with..even though there is no evidence against JC .
There are many examples of JC clearly condemning anti- Semitism throughout his life..which are ignored by his detractors.
I am still disappointed he has not been more visible in his challenge to current accusations.
I repeat that wherever racist attitudes & behavoiurs against any minority group exist, it need to be challenged and any individuals investigated.

Corbyn and his crew ? not Corbyn and the Labour Party

Sums it up perfectly, there was the Labour Party now there is Corbyn’s crew.

Fennel, I agree. Why should Corbyn be on the defensive when he has done nothing wrong. He has a party secretary and team who deal with disciplinary matters. That's it. We are in an era when accusations - often lie with no evidence - are deliberately plied to bring people down.

Perhaps people on here will publish clear evidence. So if you are sacked and go to a Tribunal on a charge of "racism" antisemitism ... you are innocent but found guilty because they say.. "well, if it looks like a Duck....." is that OK?? I dont think so. The aim is to shut down free speech so that Israel.. the criminal Netanyahu, can do what he pleases.

I agree. I have posted all over facebook and the internet asking for EVIDENCE/EXAMPLES of what Corbyn and his crew have done. No one has submitted any. This is all a fit-up. Socialism is NOT wanted and this is what is behind it all. MPs including Tom Watson are two-faced rotten slime to go against their leader.