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This has to be the ultimate in waste of NHS funds.

(59 Posts)
Rosina Thu 28-Feb-19 10:07:17

Yesterday I was shown a small article in the Telegraph concerning cervical smears. It seems that women who are now choosing to be known as men are not being called for testing - which is obviously not wise. The article then went on to say that men who are choosing to be know as women are being called - I had to read this twice - although they clearly cannot either have a test or indeed ever be vulnerable to cervical cancer. Can this really be true? Wasting admin staff time in sending invitations to men is bad enough, but what happens if they want an appointment ? Exactly where does this insane procedure lead, and why has the NHS allowed this to happen?

Rosina Thu 28-Feb-19 10:08:23

'Men who are choosing to be KNOWN' - sorry - proof reader needed.

TerriBull Thu 28-Feb-19 10:39:17

Yes have read this sort of thing before Rosina, I don't understand it,they may wish to be known as women, but they can't possibly have a cervix. Would women who have transitioned to men be tested for prostate problems?

Strange world we live in when the basics of biology are ignored in favour of ideology confused

Urmstongran Thu 28-Feb-19 10:42:18

What kind of PC bullshit is this? The NHS scared of offending a transgender I imagine.

Dontaskme Thu 28-Feb-19 11:04:02

And yet my DH has had to wait for critical tests for weeks due to the NHS being over stretched

Nannylovesshopping Thu 28-Feb-19 11:05:51

The ultimate waste of nhs funds is all prescription items
returned to pharmacy’s which are still sealed, not wanted,
have to be binned regardless, what a waste.

lemongrove Thu 28-Feb-19 11:12:16

Someone has made a gigantic blunder!
Only women or transgender men ( who were formally women) have a cervix.

EllanVannin Thu 28-Feb-19 11:31:46

NLS that waste was created a while back before we now order what we need.
In the days of repeat prescriptions we'd be sent more than what was needed at the time and I used to receive " bulk " packs of the same medication month after month ( comp.errors,probably ) and as a consequence the faster I used them the quicker they piled up until the first lot became out of date as did the next. A sheer waste which nobody seemed to notice.
It wasn't all our fault.
We now order what we NEED through the GP to avoid the terrible waste.

Urmstongran Thu 28-Feb-19 11:40:02

Ditto walking sticks, Zimmer frames no longer needed. Have to pass a health and safety test apparently so not cost effective = bin them! Beyond crazy.

paddyann Thu 28-Feb-19 11:47:34

I've been saying for years its management in the NHS thats the problem ..too many chiefs and not enough Indians as my granny would have said and the ones at the top have no real concept of whats happening below them .Needs a complete overhaul .

JenniferEccles Thu 28-Feb-19 11:52:01

Isn't this an example of the madness which is draining precious resources from the NHS?

Successive governments of every persuasion have poured billions into it over the years, but surely what is needed is a radical overhaul to see exactly where all this money is going.

Yes, we all know our health service is under enormous pressure due mainly to immigration massively increasing our population, but the amount wasted must be huge.

I make a start by getting rid of a lot of the very well paid managers.

JenniferEccles Thu 28-Feb-19 11:53:44

Cross posts paddyann ! Maybe ordinary folk like us is what is needed!

sodapop Thu 28-Feb-19 11:59:53

Totally agree with your last sentence Terribull putting lives at risk as well. Unbelievable.

crystaltipps Thu 28-Feb-19 12:11:14

Pressures on the NHS due to immigration - couldn’t leave this unproven statement unchallenged- if it wasn’t for immmigrants we’d have hardly anyone working in the NHS.

Yes -there is lots of waste more than just issuing a few mistaken invites for testing. My MiL has huge stockpiles of medication which she doesn’t take - some of it really expensive - total waste. Replicate that over the country and it must cost millions.

grannypauline Thu 28-Feb-19 12:13:44

The BIG waste of money in the NHS is the PFI interest repayments, hiked cost to them by the pharma companies, and the outsourcing of services and staff.

Still, if you want to argue about the smaller costs I'm sure that's what we're supposed to focus on..

grannypauline Thu 28-Feb-19 12:17:57

As regards immigrants, I quote from the Channel 4 website:

"This research from the Nuffield Trust points out that the additional cost pressures on the NHS are largely driven by reasons other than migration – namely, our ageing population and the rising cost of wages."

So can we dump the scapegoat?

PECS Thu 28-Feb-19 12:28:32

With you there Grannypauline

Nannylovesshopping Thu 28-Feb-19 12:42:17

EV the waste is still happening regardless of only
ordering what we need, meds’ scripts are changed,
people die, good people bring in unwanted meds
thinking they are doing something useful, save your
steps, all trashed.

Fennel Thu 28-Feb-19 13:04:15

Having been back in the UK for a year now I'm also amazed at the surplus amount of paperwork. Making sure the patient is aware of this or that, and some of it contradictory and confusing. I get a letter from them nearly every week about one thing or another.
Sorry to go on about it, but in France the responsibility is more on the patients to monitor their own problems. Though we always got copies of blood test results, x rays, specialist reports etc.

NanaandGrampy Thu 28-Feb-19 13:11:05

The worlds gone made !!! How you be tested for something you don't have ???

Im offended as a woman that this is even considered grrrrrrr

JenniferEccles Thu 28-Feb-19 13:11:13

So the 300,000 plus increase in our population per year due to immigration should be ignored as a reason for the NHS being under pressure?

So the 300,000 extra people pouring into our country each year has no bearing at all on the NHS burden?

EllanVannin Thu 28-Feb-19 13:21:18

Successive governments haven't had the common sense to realise that with our population increasing none of them have made allowances for lots of things------housing, NHS, DWP, and nameless other things.
From around 55 million in the '80's to today at 70 million !

I've never known of such a volume of sick people-----and getting worse. We're going backwards at break-neck speed.

sunseeker Thu 28-Feb-19 13:32:02

I think the NHS needs a complete overhaul. It was started to help those who were ill or injured - not for non-medical surgical procedures. Do those running the NHS actually try to save money - perhaps there should be incentives in place for those who authorise the use of funds.

There was a story a few years ago about a hospital which needed a new blind (not in a surgical area). The usual supplier was contacted and quoted several hundred pounds to supply and fit. A nurse appalled at the overcharge contacted a local supplier who supplied and fitted the blind for a fraction of the original quote

suzied Thu 28-Feb-19 13:32:12

The increase in those with chronic ailments, those with disabilities living longer, the growth in the elderly population, - these groups much more likely to make demands on the NHS than younger working age people who make up the majority of migrants, ( yes and many of those work on healthcare), so why not bash those groups as well.

grannypauline Thu 28-Feb-19 13:32:15

"‘Migrants are healthier and contribute to our economy and the NHS,’ UCL-Lancet Commission on Migration and Health chair says"

And more from the Independent:

"Populist claims that migrants heap pressure on the NHS and swamp schools by having more children have been debunked in a major international review which finds they are actually healthier and reproduce less than non-migrants.

Stricter anti-immigrant policies, like the UK’s “hostile environment”, actually increase the risks and costs for health systems and reduce GDP, the Commission on Migration and Health claimed."

Any FACTS forthcoming from the anti-immigrant lot?