We BREXIT this month (hopefully) ?

Whilst many . many of us in the UK rejoice that we are leaving the EU, (reason to be cheerful imo) I suspect most of us are completely and utterly disgusted by the behaviour of the majority of UK MPs.

You might enjoy this piece, written by Matthew d'Ancona in the Guardian. As far as the behaviour of our MPs is concerned, (whether they want us to leave or remain in the EU) I think he has hit the nail on the head. I am in complete agreement.

His piece is entitled Why are our MPs putting blatant self-interest ahead of the Brexit vote?

In the parliamentary drama of the coming week, the term “Namierite” is one you are unlikely to hear often, if at all.

But it matches perfectly this moment in the Brexit saga – wretchedly so, in fact. Sir Lewis Namier (1888-1960), one of the great historians of the 18th century, argued, on the basis of detailed forensic analysis, that most political behaviour is not motivated by high idealism, but the complex interaction of faction and connections, the search for personal advantage and the force of self-interest.

Brexit is heading towards extra time. The question then is: to what purpose?

In his masterpiece, The Structure of Politics at the Accession of George III, he wrote “Men … no more dreamt of a seat in the House in order to benefit humanity than a child dreams of a birthday cake that others may eat it

"The seat in the House was not their ultimate goal but a means to ulterior aims".

Which might strike you as horribly cynical – until you look at the present conduct of MPs as they prepare for Tuesday’s “meaningful vote” on Theresa May’s Brexit deal.

It is a panorama of snivelling self-interest, squirming caucuses and abject tacticians posturing as statesmen"

Well I sincerely hope you also love the reality ?

adorable and Leave is what , I and the majority,, the leavers won in the referendum...

I love that fact

Adorable or abhorabale, only time will tell ?

I feel most stable, and will be even more excitedly stable after we leave totally as per the fab referendum

majority of voters voted Leave. adorable

Well lets face we all just want some sort of stability, so from that point of view anything will ‘Appear ‘to be an improvement if only for a short time of euphoria, time & reality will be the true judge.

Here’s to a Spring, warmth and tolerance..

Amen to that Nanalex

Confusion may reign, but here's to positivity and a bright future as well.

it is all very exciting a proper leave, WTO, let's celebrate

Peter Frankopan, Oxford University Professor of Global History, does not agree with you Lemon

"It doesn’t look to be plausible what Theresa May said that Britain’s best days lie ahead of us."

www.channel4.com/news/brexit-vs-the-world-is-britain-too-self-obsessed-politics-where-next-podcast

Only in your opinion Varian and presumably other Remainers who cannot accept leaving the EU.

Those who voted to Leave are more optimistic about the UK and what can be achieved in the future.

I am sure Joelsnan that you do spend a lot of time researching in the hope of finding some good news about brexit. Don't blame yourself for not having found any. There is no good news about brexit. It is entirely bad news.

There's plenty of Brexit threads usurped by those who think its all marvellous.

Are we now supposed to be dishing out "recommends"? Does that mean anything in the scheme of things - or is that ability only reserved for certain cabal members? Can we dish out whatever is the opposite of recommends - "denunciation" or "condemnation" or "disapproval" so it maybe take a disapproval Urmstongran for handing out an unwarranted recommend??? Maybe we should have one of those acronyms? Sigh...

varian
Can I suggest you start a Brexit doom and gloom thread that can be usurped by happy people with good bews

What we need is a list of FACTS, but sadly there doesn’t appear to be any, just opinions & a wing & a prayer ?

Another warning from experts-

"Brexit: Rubbish, colonies, 'bribes' & betrayal

It emerged on Friday that UK environmental officials had expressed concerns that a no-deal Brexit would leave Britain overflowing with “putrefying stockpiles” of rubbish and lakes of liquid manure.

If the UK leaves the EU without a deal on March 29, export licences for millions of tonnes of waste would become invalid overnight. Environment Agency (EA) officials said leaking stockpiles could cause pollution, the Guardian reported, citing a leaked email.

The EA was also concerned that if farmers could not export beef and lamb, a backlog of livestock on farms could cause liquid manure stores to overflow.

“It could all get very ugly, very quickly,” an EA source said.

“If there is a no-deal scenario, the current export of waste may cease for a period. This could result in stockpiled waste which causes licence breaches,” the email said. “Odours will obviously be an issue as the stockpiled waste putrefies and there may be runoff of leachates, causing secondary pollution.”

www.sharecast.com/news/brexit/brexit-rubbish-colonies-bribes-betrayal--3722244.html

No doubt some no-deal enthusiasts will regard this as good news and be looking forward to it enormously.

*MaizieD

Do you live in a constant state of not believing anyone's knowledge and expertise until you've been proved right or wrong, Joelsnan?

We obviously see things from different perspectives. I could conclude your thought processes are 'weird'

You appear to look for the bad, I look for the good. Maybe you are right, maybe I am.
I probably research as much as you (maybe more), however we both probably have selective understanding based upon our biases. You look for things that will go wrong. I look for things that will go right. I am always happy to be proved wrong and will graciously apologise, accept defeat, and change my opinion, however, to date, I still believe Brexit will be the best thing we could do for our future generations. I know you will disagree...so be it.

So, we have people from the future living amongst us...amazing, I do hope I meet one soon.

Do you live in a constant state of not believing anyone's knowledge and expertise until you've been proved right or wrong, Joelsnan?

Weird...

Mean, Ug?

I am sick to the back teeth of reading experts in trade negotiation, WTO, EU law, constitutional law, economics, business, experienced diplomats etc. etc. saying what a stupid mistake Brexit is and then Leavers coming along and expecting it all to be sorted by 'better brains' than theirs. In my book 'better brains' are the experts in their fields, but they're precisely the people that Leavers, and, apparently, our PM, absolutely refuse to believe.

I take no pleasure in this, believe me.

MaizieD
^So, you're driving to a destination you've never been to before with a passenger who actually lives there. Your passenger says "You've taken a wrong turning there"
You say "We can't possibly know that until we arrive^

So, we have people from the future living amongst us...amazing, I do hope I meet one soon.

I think that was a mean comment MaizieD but I think it says more about you than me.

And Nanalex I think you are right. I echo your call for warmth & tolerance this Spring. Take a recommend ??
We need more people like you speaking up lady.

For goodness sake- the threads for positivity not snarking! IF the U.K. leaves we will make a success of it.
Snarling and snapping must be so tiring. I hope we all channel our energies in a positive manner no matter what the politicians land us in.
Here’s to a Spring, warmth and tolerance..

joels thank you for sharing your wise words. great inspiration..

Urmston i dont want to fall off a cliff edge or the coffee table !!!!!!!!!!

lol

I like to think better brains than mine are on the case.

They certainly are, Urmstongran. And 99% of them are shouting "For heaven's sake STOP"

Firstly we have not left yet and secondly lets wait two years .......... and have the same questions then we will know.

My goodness, Joelsnan, you're awe inspiring!

So, you're driving to a destination you've never been to before with a passenger who actually lives there.

Your passenger says "You've taken a wrong turning there"
You say "We can't possibly know that until we arrive"